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Michaela Light: 00:00:00 Welcome back to the show. I'm here with emo, Goliath and we're going to be talking about intuition and your health and he's amazing business empire. He's created and healthy escape day, somewhat brainwashed job, which we're going to tell you about is actually a highly sought after job, but it wasn't doing it for him and he's traveled the world and uh, set up a whole coz coating business coaching business and a written a book and all kinds of other stuff. Started a nutrition supplement company as well. Very impressive. So welcome, emo.
Emil Goliath: 00:00:37 Thank you so much for having me on the show and that very flattering introduction. I'll take that [inaudible]
Michaela Light: 00:00:42 now I hear an accent there. It sounds like you might be from Serbia.
Emil Goliath: 00:00:48 You can detect that accent then I will, I can press it
Michaela Light: 00:00:52 sounds like you're from England, but
Emil Goliath: 00:00:54 yeah, no, I was born in Serbia. I came over to the UK when I was two, so 30 years ago now.
Michaela Light: 00:01:01 30 years ago. Wow.
Emil Goliath: 00:01:04 But I actually live in Wales most of my life in Wales. So yeah, if you can detect the Welsh accents, I mean a cider or two. And it will come out
Michaela Light: 00:01:16 when you escaped. Just as they were cranking up on that ex-Yugoslavia breakup wall.
Emil Goliath: 00:01:21 Yeah. It was just, it was a coincidence actually. Uh, my dad came to work as a doctor in the UK. Um, we kind of came over within and then a year or so later all hell broke loose.
Michaela Light: 00:01:32 Well, they must've been your family's great peacekeeping influence was then Dominican. Yeah.
Emil Goliath: 00:01:38 But yeah, we, we elected not to return at that point.
Michaela Light: 00:01:42 I could understand that. I just missed it. So be, are in all those other Balkan countries and it was quite, it was a lot of energy. They're upset, you know, tragedy, intermingled with people being happy in it being a nice environment,
Emil Goliath: 00:01:57 very peaceful countries. But yeah. Um, lots of issues.
Michaela Light: 00:02:02 Yes. Beautiful countryside. Shame about some of the politicians. Yeah. Yeah. Well that could be said of many countries, I think.
Emil Goliath: 00:02:10 Yes. I try and avoid all of that in general. It's a less ignorance.
Michaela Light: 00:02:16 Yes. We'll talk about you, how you managed to avoid knowing what's going on in the world and then a bit later, uh, I think that's an important thing to be in touch with their intuition, not consume too much negative news. Um, you find, you feel the, the energy when you go back to visit a place like Serbia or anywhere else you've been to?
Emil Goliath: 00:02:42 I, I don't think so, to be honest. I, I mean, I was recently in Berlin and literally on landing, I always like, I like this place and my girlfriend kind of said, um, you can't, we've been on one street, you know, there's nothing, there's nothing you could possibly have discovered. Uh, and I was like, no, no, no. I like it. And then off to the week that we were, that it was an amazing place and obviously crazy stuff has happened in Berlin. I definitely got positive vibes. And same with Serbia and Croatia. Places I've been to a as well. No real negatives, just, just the good vibes. Maybe it's my filter. Hmm. Yes. You've got the Rose colored filter. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Good thing to do.
Michaela Light: 00:03:28 Oh, I know. I like Berlin too, but I have to tell you, I visited the Gestapo museum where the headquarters used to be where they took thousands of people into the sellers and did somewhat unkind things to them. And there was definitely some heavy energy.
Emil Goliath: 00:03:43 Yeah. Oh, for sure. I can, no, I can imagine that to be fair, I didn't do any of the, uh, any of the war tours or anything like that. Yeah. But yeah, I can imagine. I went to a, uh, I think in the Imperial war museum in London and there was a Holocaust exhibition at the time and yeah, that was, that was having, that was a, yeah. Very interesting.
Michaela Light: 00:04:06 Yeah. I went to visit that museum to investigate what my grandfather got up to in the first world war. And, uh, after about two or three hours of wondering around all their exhibits, I was like a mess. Crying and shaking and upset. I mean, just a man, you know, they had some models of what trenches were actually like, it didn't look, and of course they didn't have the smell. Just like, you know, you have a few rotting bodies and rats and what have you is pretty disgusting. Yeah. Um, so just the model alone is pretty disgusting.
Emil Goliath: 00:04:41 Oh, totally. Unimaginable. You know, and I different worlds. I don't, I'm not convinced they had flush toilets in those trenches. Yeah. No, I think that would have, uh, mingled in with all the rest of the smells.
Michaela Light: 00:04:53 Yeah. So, and that's not good for health, I don't think.
Emil Goliath: 00:04:57 No, I mean that's the, you know, the, the kind of the things that we get up to in the modern world to kind of optimize our health and have come about in the last, I mean, 30, 40, 50 years sort of very much a first world, uh, problem or whatever.
Michaela Light: 00:05:14 How do you mean as a first world problem with, don't, aren't people in quotes the third world, if that still exists, the developing world, whatever we want to call it,
Emil Goliath: 00:05:23 aren't they concerned about health? Yeah, yeah. I suppose it's, you know, we've had this amazing period of peace over the last however many years, you know, increasing prosperity and everything else and then the kind of globalization and people are getting exposed to more and more how thoughts and migration techniques. Um, and I, yeah, I mean it's an interesting one. I certainly think that there's more of a health divide, uh, hearing as we kind of go forward. Yeah, I'd say so. I'd say so even within the first world, um, you know, with kind of the increasing, uh, obesity and chronic health epidemic, which is kind of happening on one side and then this kind of like, uh, cohorts of people who are doing everything they can, you know, biohacking, whatever else, spending thousands, tens of thousands of dollars to, you know, get those extra few percent in their health. And you know, as technology increases there's going to be more and more, you know, intervention, technological intervention, medical intervention, and the people who have the resources and the well will be harnessing and taking advantage of those. So, I mean, that's, that's coming for sure.
Michaela Light: 00:06:45 I think that we already are harnessing and taking a bond. [inaudible] don't you do a bit of biohacking? I think I saw an aura ring on that finger you were waving around. Yeah, I, I did. Yeah. Should I bring, what is that hacking your, uh, something?
Emil Goliath: 00:06:59 Yeah, no, for sure. I mean I love, I love all this kind of stuff and you know, what if I was, you know, worrying about war or, uh, spam in or, or all these like things that have happened in the past and I wouldn't be messing around with, uh, you know, $400 ring, you know, tracking how many hours and minutes I've had REM sleep, you know, so we kind of got this privileged kind of time where we can focus on these, uh, on these things. But yeah, no, the, uh, the aura ring is, is a nice little gadget. I kinda like it. Um, I recommend it to most of my clients. It's, uh, uses various parameters including heart rates, heart rate variability, body temperature, breathing rates to give us a reading of our sleep. Basically.
Michaela Light: 00:07:44 It's like a Fitbit on steroids.
Emil Goliath: 00:07:47 Yes, yes. Like, well, exactly. I mean, I D I'm not a huge fan of watches that to be honest. So the ring, when it came out, it was kind of the, the best sleep tracker out there and that, that was enough for me. I thought I'd, uh, do some research, check it out. And yeah, I mean, fundamentally we know what helps with sleep and we've had extensive discussions about this, you know, on the DC forum and various under at events, but obviously we know the things that we need to do. The ring isn't gonna change what we need to do, but it might help some people, it might prompt some people to implement these things when they realize that their sleep is suboptimal or inadequates.
Michaela Light: 00:08:29 So it's not like that a risk device. We saw our, I forget the name of it, but it would send you an electric shock to you if you were naughty. That outlet you've got, show us that, what's it called? The padlock have lock. I've got to put yourself with these in the show notes or ring a Pavlok. Can you show the Pavlok all look, it's got a little lightning bolt on it. So [inaudible] can you show the inside of it? Is there like a little electric?
Emil Goliath: 00:08:53 Is that a battery pack? Yeah. Well not on your skin. When you, when you're naughty it's absolutely
Michaela Light: 00:09:00 wow. So if you're not following the habits that you said you were going to do, it's a bit like that old thing with a rubber band where you train yourself. But this is a bit more, I'm extreme,
Emil Goliath: 00:09:10 a bit more automated. I haven't, I'll be honest, I haven't explored it fully. Again, I'm not a huge fan of Watchers, so I don't think it's going to work hugely well for me. But again, I'm doing kind of research for my clients and seeing if it's something that, uh, I can use to kind of optimize and improve my methods basically for what I'm trying to achieve with people.
Michaela Light: 00:09:30 Well, I'd love to hear where if you improved a habit that was a tricky to improve.
Emil Goliath: 00:09:36 So as I said, I've, I've not, I'm, I'm still experimenting with, I'm still playing. No, I um, after you played, I will let you know. I'll update you.
Michaela Light: 00:09:46 I'd love to hear that. Um, it all sounds a bit negative. I mean it sounds a bit kind of pain based versus love-based you know, I know some people respond to pain better than love. So
Emil Goliath: 00:09:56 yeah, I mean I think with habits you kind of have to break the, break the pattern, break the automation, um, break the cycle and if that provides sufficient stimulus to even just to remind you that you're automatically going to do something, then you can make the conscious decision to change it and to, to follow a different path. Um, it's a sound theory in my view, whether it actually works in reality,
Michaela Light: 00:10:26 we'll find out. We will find out. It sounds similar to those habit tracking sites where you pledge $100 to some charitable or political calls that you hate. If you'd break the habit chain, you have to donate some money to whoever, you know, we have a politician you most low. Um, yeah, which I'm sure that first time you slip up and you know, money's going to whoever that politician is or Cherokee calls. Yeah. My a, I'll give you some examples. Some people who don't like guns might sign up to give money to the national rifle association, the United States because you know, they have judgements about the NRA thinking is evil or something. Um, yeah. Or if you're a second amendment gun toting whatever and you're trying to change some other habit, then maybe you give it to some left wing. Cool. Is that really, it doesn't do it for you. So
Emil Goliath: 00:11:24 yeah, I think the monetary aspect does help people change habits. It gives more of an incentive. Um, I think the theory is to make sort of knots changing more painful than changing. So it becomes a, yeah, the no brainer is it work?
Michaela Light: 00:11:43 Hmm. Well, I just want to come back to this health design divide in society that you mentioned because it almost makes you think, well, if this went on for long enough through many generations, there will be an evolution to the sedentary couch potato TV watching, you know, diabetes written, you know, short lived homo proper letters, uh, being plump versus homo biohack. Longevity will be long and thin and muscular and live for thousands of years.
Emil Goliath: 00:12:17 Yeah, I mean, you know, with AI doing what it's doing, um, and going where it's going, then there's quite a large likelihood of a lot of jobs being automated, which will kind of capitalize that kind of process. And I don't want to, you know, I, I don't want to get involved in the politics of it or anything like that. I'm just kind of like, you know, taking responsibility myself for the changes that are happening in the world that I'm observing and ensuring that I'm on the right side of them. Um, and anyone who I can help then I will help as well. Um, but yeah, it's a very deep and complicated issue as well. We're going to discuss later. I try to avoid the deep and complicated issues.
Michaela Light: 00:13:10 Well, when it comes to to wealth, this definitely political parties that think if you are wealthy, you should pass it onto your kids and keep your own. Well then there are other people who think you should take wealth away from the people who have more than just redistribute it. And then recently in the United Kingdom, that's been a move to say if you spend money to make your kids more educated at a private school, that needs to stop and we should take away that extra education and redistribute the resources to trying to share out the learning and wisdom. You know, amongst the people who, uh, you know, maybe less learning. Do you think in the future, maybe there'll be a move to grab health units from people who are super healthy biohacked and redistribute to the couch potato trying?
Emil Goliath: 00:13:57 I mean, you know, similarly in the UK, health is relatively, at least theoretically, everyone has access to healthcare. It's all free. You know,
Michaela Light: 00:14:10 I would, I would, I would interrupt that sentence if that's okay. Since everyone in the United Kingdom has access to sick.
Emil Goliath: 00:14:18 Yeah. Uh, yeah. I mean that's, that's a whole different can of worms for sure. For sure.
Michaela Light: 00:14:23 In the doctors, not you. I'm going to accept you because I think you actually want people to be healthy, right. And help them change their habits regarding how to make them healthier and prevent disease. But unfortunately, the way the health system is set up in most countries, the focus is on managing chronic sickness and not actually preventing it.
Emil Goliath: 00:14:46 Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah, definitely 100% size. I mean, I, I can't remember the exact numbers, but I think 70% of modern ailments are related to lifestyle. Um, unsettling
Michaela Light: 00:15:00 seven 0%. So if someone here is listening, has some ailment, chances are that it's lifestyle related.
Emil Goliath: 00:15:09 I would say that a lifestyle could improve it, improve the symptoms significantly, or it's been caused by a lifestyle in the past, a poor lifestyle in the past. Wow. Yeah, definitely.
Michaela Light: 00:15:28 That's amazing. So let's bring this into intuition. If, if a lot of disease is preventable, can you Intuit when you, you're, you know, before you get really sick, can you tell that like something's a bit off here, I need to change something. It's sort of like you're driving a car and can you have a GPS that's your intuition that tells you you need to turn your year instead of getting off track?
Emil Goliath: 00:15:57 Yeah, 100%. Um, in theory you can intuitively steer yourself in the right direction. However, uh, I suppose going on the car analogy, if the GPS was in the boots and you were playing really, really loud music and their car was full of seven people talking at you, then that's the modern lifestyle. Uh, so the chance of you seeing the GPS or hearing the GPS is almost nonexistent. Uh, people are so stressed, tired, uh, out of the loop, bombarded by marketing that they, they can't hear what their body is saying. So although intuitive health is the optimal and what I strive towards, uh, it's not a realistic starting points and it's, yeah, I, so it's not a realistic starting point. There needs to be something else to get people to a level where they can start to, to feel their health.
Michaela Light: 00:16:57 Hmm. So you have to kick one of the seven people out of the car to start with oral seven, all seven and put them in the front. You put the GPS unit, Tom Tom's a brand or GPS in the UK. I think just for our American listeners are ologies Google maps. Yes. And, and you turn down the rock music if not turn it off. Exactly. And that's what about, what about the monkey mind? You have to get the monkeys out of your head as well.
Emil Goliath: 00:17:29 Yeah, I mean for sure. I think that's all part of the process though, because by the time you're at a stage where you can kind of listen to yourself and you've blocked out all of the kind of external stimulate, you will have started to manage the internal as well. I don't think they can be done, uh, separately. They'll, they'll, they'll happen together. If the monkey is going crazy in your head, then they're still seven people in that car for sure. They're all monkeys and they're all monkeys. Exactly.
Michaela Light: 00:18:04 Well, couldn't you feed your monkey Xanax or pro loft or something and have it be less?
Emil Goliath: 00:18:12 I have a problem. I think the uh, the pharmaceutical route will numb the entire mind and
Michaela Light: 00:18:21 keys and numbs out your intuition.
Emil Goliath: 00:18:24 I'd say so, yeah. I had nuns out, even the, the part where you care and it was still wouldn't solve the environmental side. And again, if you're solving the environmental sites,
Michaela Light: 00:18:36 so then instead of a car full of noisy monkeys with a GPS in the trunk, you have a car full of,
Emil Goliath: 00:18:41 okay,
Michaela Light: 00:18:41 non bout monkeys or drunk monkeys. If your drug of choice is alcohol and you're [inaudible] on the road 101 show careening into lampposts and hurting yourself.
Emil Goliath: 00:18:51 Yeah. And in that case, even if even if the Tom Tom GPS is in front of you, you still can't pay any attention to it because everything is just numbed. Everything's blurry. There's double vision. There's now I just want to
Michaela Light: 00:19:05 give a radical thought to people listening because most listeners have a business, they're entrepreneurs and they may be like, well, McKayla, this health things very interesting and I wish my chronic migraines or health challenge or whatever, their health issue was not so vague.
Emil Goliath: 00:19:20 Well,
Michaela Light: 00:19:21 what about my business? How, what's this got to do with running a business? It does the same thing. Applying. You can hear an intuitive voice about what direction to drive your business in.
Emil Goliath: 00:19:34 I, I mean, first off, your health is your business without good health, then your business is not sustainable. You can't continue to grow. You can't enjoy the business because let's be honest, that's one of the reasons a lot of people get into businesses for freedom, for uh, you know, the choice of, to do what they kind of want to do. Go in the direction, have no boss, whatever else. Uh, so without good health, one you're not going to be optimal within your business. And two, you're not going to be able to enjoy it. Um, and by then, by optimizing your health, you're going to perform much better. In the business and therefore, arguably I have no data for this, but arguably be able to make better decisions in the business and uh, yeah, perhaps get better intuition within your business as well. Certainly if you're super stressed, super tired and fueling yourself on fast foods, then I kind of, uh, compare that to just going into tunnel vision and just, you know, going up crashing more caffeine, more sugar, more junk food going back up again, crashing, going back up again, crashing without kind of seeing the bigger picture.
Emil Goliath: 00:20:42 Um, if you've ever heard someone kind of, you know, hustling, then that's, that's working hard and not necessarily working smart. And that can become a dangerous, dangerous habit in itself where you just get used to working 18 hours a day and you could almost, unless you're working 18 hours a day, you can't function and then not that you're getting any more done.
Speaker 3: 00:21:08 Huh.
Michaela Light: 00:21:09 Sounds like you've been in that situation.
Emil Goliath: 00:21:12 Ah, yeah. Yeah. I was definitely one for hustle porn I think is the technical phrase. And I like that phrase. What does that, yeah,
Michaela Light: 00:21:21 what did that involve for you?
Emil Goliath: 00:21:23 It involves, you know, going to bed at midnight, waking up at 4:00 AM abusing stimulants and being proud of it all and being like, yeah, I sent stimulants. Did you abuse, uh, lots and lots of caffeine. Uh, lots of, lots of kind of the nootropics who proceed. Uh, I mean not kind of stuff that kind of the supplement side of things, but then also things like Modafinil, um, which, you know, it, it, it does the job, it gets you to do more, but it's, it's not real energy. You come crashing down super, super hard afterwards. Um, but yeah, that, that was kind of my
Michaela Light: 00:22:04 plus it impedes driving the car intuitively of your business cause you can't, if you're zoned clown Manasseh deal, I'm not clear you're going to hear any intuitive mixed messages about your business.
Emil Goliath: 00:22:16 I mean, arguably you, you, you become hyper, uh, intuitive for a period of time if you don't become scatty. But then after that you become, you totally crash out and it's not, there's not real energy. It's like nitrous in new car. I suppose. You, you suddenly flying, uh, you know, a day or so, but then you come crashing down and, uh, at the same time,
Michaela Light: 00:22:39 I haven't ever taken Modafinil, but I'm going to assume it's similar to coffee except more extreme.
Emil Goliath: 00:22:45 Is that, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'd say so. More photos.
Michaela Light: 00:22:48 So for me, when I take stimulants, it's like I put my foot on the gas of the car, so I am going faster, but I'm not necessarily the siding the steering quite as well. And it's a little harder to pay attention to the GPS when you're doing 120 miles, not down the street.
Emil Goliath: 00:23:07 Yeah. You know what, for sure I can see that. I suppose if people were to say, uh, you know, I, I want to do 18 hours of work today, I want to write a 10,000 word reports, or, you know, 10,000 words in my book then, but that's, it would be great as one task, extended periods of time. Like, Oh, just get on it, get it down. But if I like looking at the bigger picture, yeah. I imagine it's very similar to the tunnel vision. Um, and you know, in terms of it increases the stress on your body. So it will, I imagine, uh, take you out to that intuitive sphere for sure.
Michaela Light: 00:23:43 So I just want to come back to thing you said earlier, your health is your business because if you don't have health, you can't really enjoy the freedom of money,
Emil Goliath: 00:23:53 um, you create in the business. Um,
Michaela Light: 00:23:57 I think that's a bit radical from anyone for printers.
Emil Goliath: 00:24:00 I mean that is kind of, it's, I do a lot of thinking. I like thinking, um, for me life is about happiness, which is very, very vague, but it's also about kind of winning at life. So kind of succeeding. And again, super, super vague. So there's, there's a few aspects to that. One is wealth earning large amounts of money and that's where a lot of people start and stop. You know, they just want to earn lots of money, but they never think, okay, but why do I want to earn lots of money? And for me, the second thing is health. I want to wear lots of money so I can support and look after my health. So already they've taken away from cause their wealth. They can't be, I can't max out a wealth because I'm going to focus something on wealth. Oh, sorry, on health.
Emil Goliath: 00:24:48 And then there's the other things which is like, uh, you know, traveling, experiencing life, spending time with people, all these other things. And these things are an essential part of life. And if someone would say you earn off as much but you could do all these things or earn twice as much and not be able to do them. And to me it's a no brainer and I think we is the no brainer that the no brainer is to be able to experience life, live life, sleep well, exercise every day and do everything else and earn less money. But I think that the catch is that actually if you do all these other things, there is actually potential to then earn more money because you're more intuitive, you're more relaxed, you're more happy, you're, you're more creative. Um, so actually by focusing less on wealth accumulation, you can potentially accumulate more. Again, this is my me going on feel and also for me it's nonnegotiable. Wait, what wealth without focusing on the other things is pointless for me personally.
Michaela Light: 00:25:54 So even if we offered you $1 million, you wouldn't take a bunch from adapted elite false food,
Emil Goliath: 00:26:01 not pay attention to your body. I mean it brackets to account if, if, if, yeah. If you said, look, we'd guarantee you an income of as much money as you wanted, but you had to work constantly, you know, 60, 70 hour weeks for the rest of your life. Yeah. Just not, not, I mean, even for, you know, 30 years I'd have to do it and I'd have as much money as I wanted for my whole life. I would, I would say, I would say no, there's no point anyway. In a job like that though,
Michaela Light: 00:26:29 highly weight job when you are a doctor, you still aren't a doctor, right?
Emil Goliath: 00:26:35 Yeah. Yeah. Doctors
Michaela Light: 00:26:37 like abused their bodies get, don't get enough sleep. Make life and death decision while
Emil Goliath: 00:26:43 mentally and possibly physically. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, so yeah. I graduated as a doctor in 2011 I worked full time until 2015 so four years. And then I wait the full time job, uh, because I was basically on a conveyor belts of, of kind of medical doctor life. And I didn't like the way it was going. Um, I didn't like, I mean the big turning point was when I was sitting with one of my bosses in the operating theater and they were saying about how they were still kind of busy working weekends, doing night shifts and unhappy with their lives and they were at the parents' pinnacle. That was what I was striving and fighting towards. And I just thought, I mean, I just thought, um, I didn't want to do this. This isn't me. So, but they weren't going to be wealthy.
Emil Goliath: 00:27:37 Yeah, they had state. Yeah, they were gone. Very, very good money. I mean, I would say that doctors are very, very well paid, but the amounts of efforts and life that you commit to it, it's not a job I would do if you want to be wealthy, you know, and they're not let me be super wealthy, but they well off, middle-class, respected. Their parents are very proud of them. Oh, 100%, 100%. But for me, the, the limitation, I mean, that's a great example. The limitation on freedom and the limitation on health, you know, another 10, 15, maybe more years of night shifts was, was that acceptable? Like, yeah, as you say, guaranteed income for the rest of my life, which, you know, incrementally increased. Um, it wasn't worth it at all. So that was one of the reasons why I kind of struck out on my own, start learning about business.
Emil Goliath: 00:28:34 Um, and I, you know, I didn't know what I wanted for a long time and probably still don't, but I knew what I didn't want. Um, and I knew I didn't want to go back. So yeah, that's a good example of the kind of balance between money to a degree, respect and everything else versus a, the bigger picture of happiness. Uh, you know, health, everything else. We could say the S word at this point. Spirituality. Oh yeah, 100%. I mean, it goes back to what's the meaning in the, in the work and satisfaction. So I would say that there is a cohort adopters, a small group who finds deep, deep meaning in what they do. You know, being a doctor is vocation. It's a very, you know, you decide you're going to be a doctor when you like, or then you're going to be a doctor your whole life and that's the purpose of your life.
Emil Goliath: 00:29:36 And that's fine. I think in the modern worlds we're moving away from that with kind of increased guidelines, increased uh, kind of rules and regulations, increased pressure and increased litigation, which means that whereas perhaps medicine used to be a vocation and used to be a high, respected, highly, you know, a purpose. For some people it's moving away from that into, you know, just the paycheck. And actually it's becoming potentially unpleasant to work in because of all these pressures. So there's this kind of concept of defensive medicine where people are no longer using their clinical acumen, which we've spent however many years learning and just doing it by the book, by the flowcharts. Patient comes in with acts. Are they why? Okay, yeah, let's go here. Okay. Now do they have this symptom? Okay, let's go. Yeah. Do they have this? Okay, let's go. Yeah. Now they need a CT. They need a, these blood tests and they need an X rate. Um, I mean, I could write a flowchart and, and kind of diagnose 90% of people in a and E
Michaela Light: 00:30:41 [inaudible] know, Hey, and he is accidents and emergency run. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The ER and Amera speak. Yeah. Well, so people actually done that with IBM's Watson AI program can diagnose people better than humans.
Emil Goliath: 00:31:01 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the thing is is to a degree and especially as technology gets better, there's lower and lower thresholds for just using investigations like full body CT scans. It's like there's pain in the tummy, there's a 1% chance we might miss something. So let's just do a scan. It makes more sense. And then you don't need to, you know, examine them. You don't need to ask them this huge history because whereas before it would be, we may do a scan now it's like we might as well do a scan and just skip everything else. Um, I mean I think they'll always be a place for humans to kind of interact with patients cause a huge part of medicine is the kind of psychosocial and emotional side of it. Um, but yeah, I think sets in areas within medicine will move more and more towards AI. There'll be huge resistance from the medical profession for sure. But,
Michaela Light: 00:31:55 but it's already happening in radiology, right? That don't a fair number of X rays or red by computer now. Right.
Emil Goliath: 00:32:05 Yeah. I mean certainly that's one of the examples where I've, I've heard that that will probably be the first to go to, to AI entirely.
Michaela Light: 00:32:15 I mean he already went to offshoring, right? You can ship the x-ray image. Yeah. I mean X race these days. I just got this recently where my father got an X Ray when he cracked some ribs and I was expecting them to GAF fill them out and you know, develop it and know it's a little like on an electric, I don't know what the device is, but it's the thing that can detect X rays, little kind of detector Platy thing on you. And they, they still have the radioactive source, but now it's instant. You've got an immediate picture of what's in there. Um, and they, and they ship it off to India or somewhere else where the radiographer is, don't turn 200,000 a year. They want a little less.
Emil Goliath: 00:32:55 Well, yeah, I mean it's um, where, where I was working, they, we shipped it to Australia. So if it was out of hours then there would be actually British doctors in Australia working there, the day shifts over there. So getting paid less than nine shifts, but it was the same doctors just on the other side of the world. Yeah, yeah. It is.
Michaela Light: 00:33:19 The doctors in India or the Philippines who've trained in radiography are probably just as good, you know, or the ones I've met. Happy.
Emil Goliath: 00:33:26 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know what, with further globalization and information exchange and whatever else, you know, everyone will kind of be up to similar standards and computers will start integrating and spotting people and catching things that we miss. And that's the way it's going. I think.
Michaela Light: 00:33:45 What about, I forget what the technical term for this is, but where you, you, the surgeon are in wherever, you know, Thailand or Serbia or wherever and your patient is in Los Angeles and you do it remotely, you know, with a little robot at the other end. Cutting them.
Emil Goliath: 00:34:02 Yeah. How old in the patient? I mean robotic surgery is a thing already. Uh, usually the surgeons are local usually, but there's no reason as connections get better and whatever else, um, and it becomes more acceptable that they shouldn't be anywhere in the world.
Michaela Light: 00:34:22 Wow. And of course for the, for the regular kind of P interaction, apart from actually being able to talk to the patient. And I'd like to come back to that social psychological aspect, but the kind of logic tree you were talking about, that can be done from anywhere from over a video call.
Emil Goliath: 00:34:39 Yeah. So that's something that we're seeing more and more of is um, video consultations, video calls. Um, I mean, even my local practice, my ex local practice in Bristol where I was, was starting to do video consultations. Phone consultations have been a thing for a long time. Uh, the one kind of speed bump and it's only going to be a speed bump is uh, litigation. So if someone misses litigation over video calls, no, no, no, no, no. I mean if someone misses something over a phone call, then they would say, well why didn't you see the patients? You know, the gold standard is to see the patients. You should have seen the patient and, and that will push things back. But it's inevitable that it will be, it will go forward for sure.
Michaela Light: 00:35:28 I mean with, if you look at where the way video games have gone multiplayer video games is a totally immersive experience and even have tech, those tech, what do they call them? Tactical gloves or half how many things you could have. You could be the doctor and you can have this pair of gloves and there could be robot gloves at the other end touching the patient, sticking the finger where the sun doesn't shine, you know, the tech, prostate enlargement. You could totally do the whole thing remotely.
Emil Goliath: 00:35:56 Yeah. You know, it won't be long before my ring just transmits all my information to the clouds and the doctor can just log into it and access all my vitals. Yeah.
Michaela Light: 00:36:06 And then they will say, Oh yeah, Amazon's on the verge of developing diabetes or whatever we need sell electric shocks with Pavlok. So we don't have leads for Nava. He doesn't reach for another whatever is cookie or something.
Emil Goliath: 00:36:20 Yeah, yeah. It's the way it's going. It's the way it's going. Um, and because of the strain on the system, you know, even the medical kind of institutions are looking for ways to scale effectively. Um, there's kind of this cohort of, I'm using that word a lot today, cohorts like it. Um, there's this like group of, uh, physicians assistants, they're called, which are doing what doctors used to do and now there's not enough of us, so that, you know, bringing in [inaudible]
Michaela Light: 00:36:50 sculptors, I thought NHS in England, you know, the 65 million people live in England. And you told me before we started recording with 1.7 million people working in NHS, of which I've got a guest, at least a 10 the doctors.
Emil Goliath: 00:37:06 Yeah. I mean, so there's two aspects to that. One is that there's increasing demand and that's for two reasons. One is that people are getting sicker with more chronic disease and two is society society's expectations are increasing that there seems to be, and this is just an observation, a removal of personal responsibility and expecting other, the government or whatever to fix the problem government. And then the, the NHS, the health service
Michaela Light: 00:37:37 send to the diseases. You said a cools by the own person's lifestyle. Isn't that a little
Emil Goliath: 00:37:44 ridiculous? Yeah. Cause their influence for sure. And, and, and yes it is, but this is kind of the health divide I'm talking about. I mean essentially people have the power to improve their health infinitely and with the internet, the knowledge, the information to do it. So there's something else going on. And as it, you know, there's kind of the, um, the, the, I mean I don't know what it is. I don't know what the reason, some of it is stuff, most
Michaela Light: 00:38:17 people are trained from birth to rely on the government or other better employer to be responsible and you know, to be shameful as the phrase goes. And that rolls over into health. But instead of saying I create my own health, it's like, no, no, it was someone else's fault. Let me Sue them.
Emil Goliath: 00:38:38 Yeah, yeah. Or yeah. And that's the, again, where the kind of, um, telephone consultations will slow up because people will be looking for the gaps. Um, and, and the other, the other big reason that there's not an a is there's a bit of an Exodus of, uh, doctors from, I mean the UK, I can't speak for any other countries, but with worse additions to, um, either as a, you know, used to be, they used to go to Australia or New Zealand where the lifestyle is, is much, much better. Um, or just leaving, just leaving the medical profession, doing that five or six year degrees and then like, like what I did and just, just leaving.
Michaela Light: 00:39:20 And in your case, you've started your own medical coaching thing for the, for the others, other cohort, to use your fave word of the day of biohackers of entrepreneur, you help entrepreneurs who want to be extreme, extremely healthy so they can be happier and you know, run that business better to be, you know, even more effective and healthy.
Emil Goliath: 00:39:41 Yeah, yeah. I mean, I would say it's, it's not, it's not even medical coaching. I mean, I use my medical knowledge for sure, but it's all lifestyle intervention. Um, you know, a lot of people have said, do you want to maintain your medical license to be able to prescribe things? And I said, no, I don't want to prescribe things. The whole point is I don't want to prescribe things. You know,
Michaela Light: 00:40:05 you can always refer them to a doctor who could prescribe if they really needed a drug.
Emil Goliath: 00:40:10 Exactly. And that's what I do because I don't have jurisdiction all over the world anyway. And most of my clients, 90% of them are out of the UK anyway. Um, and you know what, I don't even focus on the biohacking side. I focus on, you know, the, the basics and just hammer them home and build them into a sustainable lifestyle. So it's not even, you know, the kind of the, the biohacking kind of super fine tuning end of the spectrum. It's just, you know, emphasizing and implementing exercise, nutrition, sleep, stress management, um, and just going from whatever, wherever the person is to integrating this into their lifestyle so that it becomes a habit. It becomes a choice. Um, possibly with the addition of electric shock. I mean, yeah, this, this or this kind of thing would definitely be a potential tool for the kind of the, the changing process.
Emil Goliath: 00:41:05 So as we kind of touched upon earlier, there's the initial phase where people are kind of like bombarded with, you know, the monkeys in the car and the loud music. And during that phase, I believe that you need to use structures and kind of, uh, more strict plans to get people to, to their goal, start removing monkeys from the car. And then as people start to progress towards their goal, they can start to remove the crutches and the helps and become more and more intuitive. And certainly the end goal is to become entirely intuitive. But that in my experience, takes three, four, five, six years. Um, and the starting point is usually a very structured approach and then you slowly remove. So this would be something that you would use initially to kind of start to help with certain habits and then eventually
Michaela Light: 00:41:58 could be just journaling how you're doing. Did you do your exercise today? Did you, you know, I use a thing called the light spreadsheet and if you've come across that, but it's just a simple spreadsheet with a yes, no. Did you exercise? Did you go to bad on your by your bedtime goal and blah, blah, blah. And it's got a formula in the spreadsheet that turns green. If you put a yes in there and it goes red, if you put a no, and it sounds very simple, but psychologically it's very motivating. See a row of green. Um, yeah. Things feel habit that you're keeping up with things. Particularly if you share it with other people, you get social reward or pressure on it.
Emil Goliath: 00:42:33 I mean I, I certainly use the spreadsheets for, for my clients, we share our sheets that's updated and that tracks everything from nutrition to exercise to moods to happiness, to sleep. Um, so that as you say, using any of the tricks or tips, like, you know, the feeling good of, of seeing things, kind of seeing the data that definitely helps. Then the accountability to me is a huge, huge part of it. Um,
Michaela Light: 00:43:00 well then and being able to see patterns that, Oh, if I, if I Ms. Good sleep for so many days, you know, two days in a row, my mood's gone down a number of productive as I had. You know, you might even write down notes saying, Oh, had argument with a cofounder or whatever because I think the ability to have high, uh, uh, [inaudible], you know, emotional intelligence is dependent on those basics of food, exercise, sleep, top, um, hydration. Yeah, for sure. It's, um, so I, I want to ask you an awkward question, but I'm not sure if I should ask. It is it,
Emil Goliath: 00:43:39 I'd probably go for it. So,
Michaela Light: 00:43:42 and you can either apply this to yourself where you can take it theoretically, depending on how transparent you care to be. But when you are practicing as traditional Western doctor, you know, how much were you increasing people's health versus now you're this health coach person?
Emil Goliath: 00:44:03 That's an amazing question. I love it.
Michaela Light: 00:44:05 Well I, I'll let you answer that one then I'll give you the more rural version of the question.
Emil Goliath: 00:44:11 So I mean, as a doctor I was very lucky. Uh, the first couple of years I was very much as most junior doctors are, um, uh, wards kind of running around doing paperwork, doing little odd jobs. So I wasn't helping health particular, I was just propping up the system. And then the second two years I worked as a assist. So, Oh my God. You know, I love that aspect cause I love that the pharmacology and all the medications we were using and for that we were facilitating surgery operations. So taking people's appendixes out, things like that. So I think in that regard, uh, we were again, helping people. And then over the last four years, I've been working in the accident and emergency departments and that there's at least an a, an element of, you know, people in a trauma. We can regulate how we can direct and see you stop their bleeding, you calm their shock, they are now alive versus dead.
Emil Goliath: 00:45:10 You can help that. But there were so many people who came in with a heart attack and you give them some aspirin and you say, Oh, this'll send the bloods and then they'll go off and then they'll come back with another heart attack because they didn't stop smoking. They didn't start exercising. They didn't, you know, start cheating. They didn't change their lifestyle. So in that case we were putting bandaids on problems like gushing blood and we putting a bandaid on it and being like, yup, that'll do because that's what we can do. We were under pressure. There's nothing. You need to go home with that person and kind of sit with them and coach them and you know, really push all the right motivational buttons, which is the resources to do that. And then with your, uh, you know, health coaching clients, you know, are they healthier or, yeah, for sure. I mean, so my Imeg how do they measure that or how do you measure that?
Emil Goliath: 00:46:07 So we use, um, had Jones for, for health. Um, I mean [inaudible] say that word again. Adjuncts. So what's AddRan so it's like health is quite a nebulous kind of nonspecific term. Um, I mean I, I tried, we track happiness because ultimately happiness is, is the end goal. Um, so I make sure that that is something that we at least track. But then if people are losing excess body fat, if blood markers are improving, if they're kind of a bit chilly doing things which are known by the evidence by the soft science to improve health, like regularly exercising, sleeping seven to nine hours a nights, uh, that stress, that fatigue is down. If all of these things are improving, then I'm confidence that's, uh, we're improving that health. Uh, I say adjuncts because, you know, we, we track fat loss or weight loss that doesn't always improve health. So I don't want to say that, you know, that's fat less correlated. Exactly. You know, you can infer that certain people's health might improve if they drop some body fat.
Speaker 4: 00:47:25 Huh.
Emil Goliath: 00:47:25 I mean it would be thought of like in a business you might say, well more,
Michaela Light: 00:47:30 you know, revenue that comes into the business, the chances are it's probably a healthier business. Might not be cause it might be losing money on every sale. But yeah, it's a correlated thing. And similarly at the lower end, you know, all the staff happy in the business. You know, usually successful businesses have happy staff and
Emil Goliath: 00:47:52 I suppose at a higher level is the person who's running the business happy or why? Why are they running the business? You know, I think on a philosophical
Michaela Light: 00:48:01 cool level, the person who owns the business holds the energetic space for the business to be successful. And that's where a lot of people who start businesses often when they first do a business fall down because they don't, they aren't able to hold the space for always. Although you know, staff members and customers and vendors to be all working together and going in the same direction in the business, the car of the business. Yeah. This is quite a tricky role. No. Yeah. Anyway, let me, let me ask you the more raw question and sorry if I upset you ahead of time, but like how many of your health coaching clients have died under your care versus how many of your Western doctor clients died under your care? Just as a rough measure of whether this stuff they actually works.
Emil Goliath: 00:48:53 I mean, none of my coaching players died as of yet. None, which, I mean, I, I mean it's a good thing. I don't know whether it's impressive or not. I didn't tend to do that. Anything particularly crazy? Um, I mean, it's so tough to say as a doctor again, because of the areas I've worked in,
Michaela Light: 00:49:13 well a and A's quiet, you know, you're bound to lose some people there.
Emil Goliath: 00:49:17 There were debts for sure. 100% for sure. And a larger proportion of those will be related to lifestyle. Um, so usually by the time they get to us in the emergency room, you know, the, the interventions were carrying out a resuscitation as opposed to anything more than that or attempted resuscitation at least
Michaela Light: 00:49:38 driving their car for so many years with the monkeys in the car and the music turned up in the GPS in the trunk, not listening to their own health. They already been run off the freeway and crashed the car.
Emil Goliath: 00:49:50 Yeah, for sure.
Michaela Light: 00:49:53 So the best you can do is bring in the tow truck and try and get them back on the freeway.
Emil Goliath: 00:49:57 Retry. Yeah. I mean more often than not, uh, you know, contrary to the movies, uh, resuscitation doesn't, doesn't work hugely. Well, rarely, rarely. I don't know the numbers, but it's less than 10%.
Michaela Light: 00:50:11 No. And why do we do it then?
Emil Goliath: 00:50:14 10% still pretty good.
Michaela Light: 00:50:16 Yeah. I guess if you're one of the resuscitate ease, whatever the correct technical term is, you probably want to take that 10%. So it's better to, to, to intervene earlier while before they careened off the freeway and having a crash to kind of say, Hey, you're getting a little dozy driving the car and there's a lot of noise in here. Maybe we should get the GPS back in the actual, you know, call pit of the car, not in the trunk.
Emil Goliath: 00:50:41 Yeah. Flooring tuition. I mean, by the time people have, as you say, Koreans off, you know, they've effectively, they've died. There has been something significant enough that happens into to, to for them to die. And then we will attempt to resuscitate in the, in the emergency room. But I mean, they, they died once of whatever, you know, whatever's happened up until that point. It's more often than not lifestyle related things, heart attacks, things like that. So even if they are resuscitated, they then have to drastically make a change. Otherwise it's just going to happen again. Um,
Michaela Light: 00:51:17 I had several friends, girlfriends, whatever, with cancer and, um, the ones who've survived made extreme lifestyle changes. They got rid of the stress or they, you know, remove negative people from like, or whatever the message was from their body, uh, or they removed self-critical foods perhaps, you know, you and I had a friend recently, she had a throat tongue cancer and she went on this juicing diet and she was exercising and meditating. I mean, she had the Western thing, they clipped part of a tongue out. I had the
Emil Goliath: 00:51:52 growth on it, but he really did change our lifestyle as he got cancer. Sorry, cancer free just means they haven't detected it recently. But yeah. Yeah. I mean cancer is one of those funny ones where there's a lot of external factors, but there is a lot of, uh, lifestyle factors as well, either within kind of healing from it, curing it or preventing it in the first place. And the word cancer is very, it's a bit of a misnomer because there's every single cancers totally different. You can't look out the 200.
Michaela Light: 00:52:34 Right. Well, thereabouts, more, more, more, more.
Emil Goliath: 00:52:37 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Easily. Um, and, and certain things which are defined as cancer, uh, not, uh, an issue where it says things, uh, horrendous. Um, so [inaudible] complement altogether is a bit of a misnomer, but generally speaking, if you can, then there is a positive lifestyle, especially mindset. Things like that will definitely help. To me, nothing scientifically. Yeah, vaguely
Michaela Light: 00:53:04 proved this isn't just the woo in a saying, Oh, it'd be, have some positive thoughts. Do you good. It they've actually done clinical style trials on breast cancer victims where they did positive imaging or, or the other thing you mentioned positive thinking, but also social support. You know, where they go in a support group for cancer victims and they, they, uh, statistically longer,
Emil Goliath: 00:53:26 you know, twice as long or whatever than the PDF for sure. That's very, very glowing. Yeah, it's mind blowing. But also if you kind of look at it, the body is incredible at healing itself. The body has all the mechanisms for fighting.
Michaela Light: 00:53:42 Well, isn't that how all healing really occurs? The medical intervention is just to give you the time and energy to heal yourself.
Emil Goliath: 00:53:50 Exactly. I mean intensive care, which people kind of think of as the, you know, the, the cavalry within medicine major support the body while the body heals itself. You know, we give antibiotics and various bits, but essentially it's breeding for the body, you know, keeping the blood pressure adequate for the body and the body just does this thing and heals itself or it or it doesn't,
Michaela Light: 00:54:14 it's kind of a miracle really that bodies can heal themselves
Emil Goliath: 00:54:18 if allowed to for sure. And that's why I was so passionate about, uh, allowing and optimizing that process and optimizing health and optimizing. I mean, yeah, it's just so fundamental to everything.
Michaela Light: 00:54:33 I have a personal question for you, if it's okay to ask it. Of course. Do you talk to your body parts at all or tell them you love them or listen to them?
Emil Goliath: 00:54:45 Not, uh, not consciously know
Michaela Light: 00:54:48 or when they're sick. If you have a, you know, bit of your body that's a bit under the weather. Do you have a direct energy to it or,
Emil Goliath: 00:54:56 yeah. So directing energy and focusing it on and kind of using healing meditation and healing thoughts is definitely a thing for sure. Positive affirmations, um, controlling negative thoughts about it or super, super powerful. Um, yeah, I, yeah, 100%.
Michaela Light: 00:55:22 So I do that every day. I just lie in bed and meditate and nice and positive, you know, I love you all the posted energy to every part of my body as a kind of preventative,
Speaker 3: 00:55:34 um,
Michaela Light: 00:55:34 mechanism and, and listen to any bits that her or CMO in some way, sorry.
Emil Goliath: 00:55:40 Yeah. What's going on? Even, you know, normal meditation is, is good for that. With body scans and things like that, you can start to identify areas where there are tension or bad feelings or whatever. And even just that, that's identifying it is, is a huge step towards, uh, sending positive energy and, and, you know, working out what's going on in delighting.
Michaela Light: 00:56:06 Okay. Are you familiar at all with Bruce Lipton who wrote biology of belief?
Emil Goliath: 00:56:12 No. Under the gun.
Michaela Light: 00:56:16 He's also a scientist and he's also [inaudible]. Um, but he did, he looked into the scientific study of, of do beliefs actually affect your cellular health. And we, um, you know, there's evidence that our beliefs do affect our cells.
Speaker 3: 00:56:35 Um,
Michaela Light: 00:56:36 you know, through rec, through epigenetics, which is, you know, they met a level above PNA as I'm sure you know.
Speaker 3: 00:56:44 Um,
Emil Goliath: 00:56:45 I mean, my gut, my go to book for this was a mind over medicine by Lisa Rankin, also an MD.
Michaela Light: 00:56:57 Mine are, I'm writing that into the show notes.
Emil Goliath: 00:56:59 Yeah, yeah. Mind over medicine. What did that have to say? And so she was basically a medical doctor who was kind of in the system, got ground up, got spat out.
Michaela Light: 00:57:15 You mean ground up, spat out the medical system. Does the doctors and other medical staff like nurses or nurse practitioners,
Emil Goliath: 00:57:24 Oh, it's infinitely worse for nurses. Infinitely worse really. I mean, nurses generally have more difficult jobs. They work longer hours and they don't get paid as well as doctors and doctors.
Michaela Light: 00:57:41 But doctors work like really long ads, particularly if they're interns. Right?
Emil Goliath: 00:57:46 Yeah. I mean, it's straight off. Nurses tend to do 12, 12 and a half hour shifts, um, which is just a very, very long time to be focused and to work. Um, I mean, not that might not be universal, but certainly they tend to work out of a lot and uh, that just, uh, the kind of community, the medical community, the doctors are very much more supportive of each other. Whereas my experience in the nursing culture, and you know, correct me if I'm wrong, but it's a lot more of a Blaine culture and a lot more of a
Speaker 3: 00:58:23 [inaudible]
Emil Goliath: 00:58:23 that there's a lot, there's a lot less supports within the nursing culture versus the medical culture, which altogether with with less pay, more stress, less supports leads to more
Michaela Light: 00:58:37 issues. [inaudible] coming back to this idea that your mental state affects your health, which those two books show in lot of scientific studies show what mostly see effect of blame or guilt or shame on someone's health.
Emil Goliath: 00:58:54 I mean, absolutely awful from a, you know, from a sort of primary points of view as in that will instill negative emotions, negative thought patterns, increased stress, but also then those primary issues will cause secondary issues like poor sleep, decreased willpower to exercise, increased chance of eating crap foods, which we'll kind of then loop into more negative thoughts, more negative feelings. You know, people might gain weight and lose confidence, you know, feel less, you know, less emotional intelligence, less tolerance, which then feeds back into lastly less exercise. So it's just a spiral of as of badness, you know? Um, yeah, it's not good.
Michaela Light: 00:59:45 Well this kind of makes me wonder whether our school system is healthy.
Emil Goliath: 00:59:52 Yeah. That's another thing. Another whole can of words. Um, education in school systems in general. I mean, I, you know, I've not been in the school system for awhile now, but there's different ways of teaching and if they are based on, uh, blame and shame, then yeah, I would say that that's not, that's not the way to do it for sure. Especially [inaudible] yeah, go ahead. I was just going to say, especially these days where a traditional education is less relevant to the modern world. Um, you know, the, the, the skills we'd make money in the modern world are associated with technology, digital marketing, whatever else. And those aren't really taught in school, whereas you learn in the kind of the traditional subjects, which, you know, aren't hugely relevant. Uh, but as I said, as kind of worms, that's a whole,
Michaela Light: 01:00:55 whole other episode. To take that thought one step further and just think about businesses you worked in or your own business though. People listening is, is your business a healthy place for you and your style or does it contain blame, shame and guilt? Love a negative emotions swirling around?
Emil Goliath: 01:01:16 Yeah, that's a very, very valid question. Um, yeah. And, and as entrepreneurs we're in a position to control that culture and nurture that positive culture. So it's our responsibility for sure.
Michaela Light: 01:01:33 I think that's a big responsibility. Not only are we responsible for our own happiness, our own profits, our own health, but now we've got staff members, customers, vendors, and we're co-creating with them their happiness, wealth, and health.
Speaker 3: 01:01:50 Yeah.
Michaela Light: 01:01:50 Which yeah, the extreme end could mean if, if you have a whole bunch of negative culture and emotions, you could be killing the people associated with your business.
Emil Goliath: 01:02:02 Yeah, for sure. And I mean that's, that's, you can take that to a greater level than just business. But as a person, if you're exceeding negative vibes, phone's a better word than you are negatively affecting the people around you.
Michaela Light: 01:02:16 Okay. Let's take it to the next level. What's the level you didn't want to go to?
Emil Goliath: 01:02:20 No, no, no. I mean, you know, so as a business owner then yeah, you're affecting your clients and your staff. But even just as a human, if your, you know, expressing negative energy and blaming and shaming and you know, whatever else, then, then you're affecting the people around you, whether they're associated with the, uh, with you through business or just because of, you know, vicinity. So like your family. Exactly. You cared and then interactions in the shops. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. You, you can control your actions. I know,
Michaela Light: 01:02:55 do medicine for humans, but does this same stuff work in pets as well? If the owner isn't full of negativity, that pet will pick up diseases.
Speaker 4: 01:03:06 [inaudible]
Emil Goliath: 01:03:07 I mean it's not my area, but I would say so. Especially domesticated animals. Probably dogs more than more than cats. But yeah, I would say that they, they can, they can sense that kind of stuff.
Michaela Light: 01:03:20 Oh, absolutely. I mean it's Stokes a very psychically, you know, I, I'll just briefly mention this experiment of blew my mind in this regard. They, they had a computer randomly pick a time to set off a pager where someone would have been sent away from the home, away from their dog would start driving back and it was double-blind. They didn't know what time they were going to get paid by this computer. The dog had no clue when the owner was going to start coming back. They had a video camera on the personally when no other humans in the house, the minute the person started driving back towards the home, the dog acted differently. So somehow they knew that something was happening. They must had some psychic link to the owner, which is amazing. And suddenly, you know, I think anyone who's ever interacted with a dog, dogs can be very empathetic and, you know, loving and, and obviously connected with their owner.
Michaela Light: 01:04:19 So, um, but yeah, let me take that thought about the idea that the, the, the thoughts we have in our own head, which we haven't cleaned up through meditation or exercise or, you know, whatever the thing, sleeping enough or whatever, not only effect the people around us, not businesses and also our own health, but how does, what does that say about modern society? Where most appetizing is it very negative. And, and we talk about the rat race, right? Which doesn't sound particularly happy and therapeutic. It sounds like that chewing up and spitting out. And you were talking about earlier.
Emil Goliath: 01:05:01 Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, there's lots of amazing and beautiful things in the modern world, but there's a lot of shit out there. Pardon my French. And that's, you know, we, we mentioned it perhaps earlier or before we started, but that's why I of tend to avoid consuming the modern world as much as possible in the form of news, social media, negative people.
Speaker 4: 01:05:26 [inaudible]
Michaela Light: 01:05:26 yeah, I mean, to me, well they call it the click economy that I learned that recently when I read, um, a book in the forge book club. Um, not when bigly, uh, um, something, it was Ryan holiday's book about PR. Like everything I I'm saying is lying or something like that. I'll find the exact title and stick it in the show notes. But, um, basically news papers, new sites, TB news works on how much attention they can grab. And for many humans, negative emotions is what grabs their attention. And so they feel news with negativity. Yeah. And so even though when you live at, when you actually stop consuming that corporate news and, or government news, you know, um, you notice that in your everyday life, most things are positive and things are pretty good, but that's not what the news focuses on.
Emil Goliath: 01:06:29 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, that's an observation that I had a long time ago, but I never associated it with a negative impact. And then I read more and more and observed and realized that I didn't need to know all the shit that was happening in the world, let alone the curated stuff that was happening because we weren't getting a full picture. We were getting a curated version. Um, and not only was that stacked in the negative sort of area, but also it was stacked according to political whatever else. Um,
Michaela Light: 01:07:05 there's always, well his book is about how to manipulate the news to get PR off your own business on one hand, but also to realize 95% of what you read in the news has been manipulated by someone put it there, which is either a company trying to push something or an association kind of push their political views and lobbying or government trying to change public opinion by putting things at spinning things a certain way. Yeah. Um,
Emil Goliath: 01:07:32 and that's the subtle, that's the subtle lens. And then when you get to marketing that it just becomes, um, you know, it goes out of control. I mean, yeah, especially with the, you know, as, as Facebook ads and things are getting more sophisticated, data collection is getting more sophisticated. The power to manipulate is becoming [inaudible]
Michaela Light: 01:07:49 more, more. Uh, I'm gonna say it is, um, it's quite disturbing. So I want to take this one step further and are you OK to come into the dark side one further step or are you always, always, yeah. So what does this say for our current political system, which is also full of negativity, the blame game kind of dragged down the opposition.
Emil Goliath: 01:08:18 I mean, it's a game and the politicians are playing it and that bad for their health. Do you think?
Speaker 4: 01:08:27 Okay.
Emil Goliath: 01:08:28 I think it's bad for everyone's health. Um, it's kind of, I mean, I, I don't, as, you know, as we sort of touched upon, I don't get involved in the politics and, and that kind of stuff. Um, it's not an area which I wanna spend bandwidth on, but, um, yeah, the, the tactics and things people are using kind of. Then the other side needs to use to keep up or to match and then it just becomes an arms race to the bottom. Um, which I think
Michaela Light: 01:08:55 they succeeded in reaching the bottom and have them there.
Emil Goliath: 01:08:58 I w I wouldn't be so sure. Oh, okay. The further they go always.
Michaela Light: 01:09:06 I mean, what if we had a society and a political structure and system that was positively based and supported people's happiness. Now,
Emil Goliath: 01:09:23 I mean that would be great. Uh, I don't know how that would be built identity that, how that would be constructed, but when everyone is, is shooting towards something like that, all it takes is one person to go the other way, gain an advantage, and then someone else need to match them and then it'll all just evolve. Um, I'm sure there's an analogy about, uh, LARCs and pigeons, uh, which is, which talks about this as long as they're there has to, you'll reach a balance where no one gains the upper hand because everyone is, is doing what they need to do and then you'll reach an equilibrium. If it goes too far, either way, then someone will gain an advantage. So this is the Librium I believe.
Michaela Light: 01:10:06 So why, what would it take to reach a new equilibrium where we had a society that was happy and healthy and wealthy?
Emil Goliath: 01:10:14 Uh, people with self are filled with versioning happy. I mean, the first step would be people taking personal responsibility for themselves and harnessing the amazing parts of the world, like the infinite knowledge on the Internet's the infinite ability to acquire, you know, wealth in this capital system, capitalist society. Um, and you know, the freedom that we have these days too.
Speaker 4: 01:10:44 [inaudible]
Emil Goliath: 01:10:45 to do what they need to do to do what they want to do to achieve those things for themselves and those around them.
Michaela Light: 01:10:51 So let's just walk this thought back to our own businesses because basically all our entrepreneurial business is a microcosm of society. It's our own little personal fiefdom or society. What does that mean for how we create our businesses?
Speaker 4: 01:11:07 Okay.
Emil Goliath: 01:11:09 Well, I think, I think entrepreneurs are a great example of people who are doing exactly that. They're taking personal responsibility for themselves and their lives. And they are doing what they need to to achieve what they want to achieve. Um,
Emil Goliath: 01:11:28 you know, regardless of of politics, you know, politics, there's always going to be people saying, Oh, this happened. This is why I failed. This is why I can't run a business. This is why, you know, the excuses are always possible. But then there's, there's entrepreneurs for example, who take the responsibility and say, I can either make excuses or I can make solutions. Um, and as long as you start doing that, then you can almost become immune to, uh, so that kind of thing, especially in the modern world where information is, is free and everywhere, you know, back in the nipple in the day, whenever that was, when, before the internet knowledge was in libraries or behind, you know, in library labs and professors. And that's where knowledge was kept and you can access it unless you had standing or money or whatever. These days, I mean, there's a percent, the vast majority of, I actually, I don't know the person or the proportion of people with the internet, but the internet is becoming more and more accessible basically.
Michaela Light: 01:12:23 So several billions, isn't it? 4 billion people have internet access worldwide out of seven. So it's more than half. And you've got to remember about half the people on the planet only owned about $2 a day or something. So yeah, you know, but we're getting to the point where pretty much everyone is on the internet and it affects their lives in positive ways. Um, you know, I read about, uh, fishermen in some African country and now they have internet access on their phone. And I know that it was even into, I think it was simple phone where you could text people and they could decide where, where to take, you know, which port to take the fish that has the better price so they can make more money, for example.
Emil Goliath: 01:13:07 I think there's huge potential for positivity and growth on the internet. However, uh, I believe that the vast majority of people use it for a cat memes and social media, uh, to kind of blow their lives away.
Michaela Light: 01:13:23 Hmm. I just want to take this, you mentioned entrepreneurs making themselves healthy and happy. I just want to put that a bit bigger than say if you have staff, if you have customers, if you have vendors, I think everyone listening is not etrepreneur has other people involved in one of those three roles in their business. And I'll throw investor into, some people have invested, but how the decisions we make about our businesses and how we run them and the culture we choose to have for them affect the negativity or positivity in those people affects everyone's health, wealth, happiness, spiritual satisfaction. So I think we have an enormous opportunity as entrepreneurs to create something bigger than ourselves and, and shift the world to a positive place. You know, maybe we can't change the political system today, but sure as heck we can change how we run our own business.
Emil Goliath: 01:14:19 Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Michaela Light: 01:14:25 One, one book I just want to mention related to to that positivity. I'm reading a new book while I'm Marie folio. I don't know if you, you know her or know if she's more a woman's entrepreneur thing. She, she has a business called B school. It's like an online training for digital marketing. Um, and she's been on Oprah and will happen anyway. She has a book called everything is figureoutable. Outable saying that no matter how hard the problem is always a way to get a solution.
Emil Goliath: 01:14:55 Oh yes. I love that. Yeah, I recommend it. Very.
Michaela Light: 01:15:01 All right, cool. And positive book. So, uh, anything else you want to share about intuitive health? Cause I'm feeling an energy slump in the interviewee. I you we have been talking for awhile.
Emil Goliath: 01:15:14 We have yes, that's no negative
Michaela Light: 01:15:16 won't on you. I'm just sensitive to the energy of the interview.
Emil Goliath: 01:15:21 Um, I mean, yes. So regarding intuitive health, it's definitely the ideal. It's definitely the goal. Um, but don't run before you can walk. Basically use tools to guide you in the right direction and don't rush too. Get rid of them. She rarely basically. So if you do need to use the Pavlok or an aura ring or you know, my fitness pal to track your intake, then the first priority is gaining health. And then you can work about really listening for the intricacies. You can start doing the big sweeping changes, getting more sleep. We know that it's going to help getting exercise. We know that's going to help eating better food, et cetera, et cetera. Start with these things, however you need to do it. And then you could start really listening and fine tuning, but you know, they don't run. [inaudible]
Michaela Light: 01:16:09 you can walk for sure. Cool. So a couple more questions and then I want you to share how people can reach you. And these are questions I ask all my guests. First of all, one is, why are you proud to use your business intuition?
Emil Goliath: 01:16:25 Uh, so I'm proud because it's gotten to me where to where I am now despite difficulties and setbacks and everyone has experienced difficulties and setbacks, but I'm proud that I've, uh, surmounted and, and overcome the ones that have been put in front of me. And I'm sure there's going to be infinite more in front of me, which I'm looking forward to, uh, to overcoming. And certainly when I started out, this was despite the vast majority of people around me being against what I was doing, leaving the medical profession, start a business. Um, so I, you know, I figured that that was again
Michaela Light: 01:17:02 leaving the medical profession.
Emil Goliath: 01:17:04 Oh, by everyone, by all the five, by everyone who is, who might not, uh, group who I was kind of spending most of my time with other medical professionals, family, uh, friends at the time, not all friends, but that, you know, most friends at the time. Um, so yeah, it was, I was like, no, I definitely need to do this. I don't know how, but I need to do this.
Michaela Light: 01:17:30 All right. Second question, which is obviously we both share the belief that business intuition is really important to make your business healthy, happy, wealthy, virtually significant, um, meaningful. But no, everyone is comfortable openly using their intuition in that business. So my question to you is, what would it take to make business intuition more openly use this year?
Emil Goliath: 01:18:05 That's a very, very good, an interesting question. Um, from my angle I would say starts to work towards your health and as you start to remove the noise from your life, then your intuition will come out. And if you're uncomfortable with using it for your business and start to use it for your health, um, and as you build up confidence from there, then you can start to apply it in other areas of your life, um, because your body is very wise and tells you a lot of good things.
Michaela Light: 01:18:38 Indeed it is. And it can even give you ideas about your own business. So if folks want to find you online when they're not trolling through social media or reading negative news, that was a joke for listeners. How should they do that?
Emil Goliath: 01:18:54 Yes. Um, and also because I'm going to give you a social media handle so you can scroll through mine. Um, no. So my website is www dots doctor. That's doc Tor amil.com, dr romil.com and my social media new. Can't spell a meal with E. M I. L. yes. E M I L a people who are dyslexic. Like me. Yes. Um, and then on Facebook and Instagram, it's just forward slash project Goliath. So project as project and then Goliath Gol I a T H on both Instagram and Facebook.
Michaela Light: 01:19:35 Fabulous. Well, we'll put those links in the show notes together with your nutritional supplement business and your, uh, high intensity functional training business. So we can all study that. And thanks so much for coming on the show today.
Emil Goliath: 01:19:50 Thank you so much for having me. It's been awesome.