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Michaela Light: 00:00:01 Welcome back to the show. I'm here with Komal Carr and we're going to be talking about how she's been shedding her ego over the last year and how that's affected her intuition and work. So welcome Kemal.
Komal Kaur: 00:00:15 Hi. Thanks for having me.
Michaela Light: 00:00:16 I hope I'm pronouncing your name right.
Komal Kaur: 00:00:18 It's cool. No.
Michaela Light: 00:00:20 Cool. Camo car, like C O R E core and cholera course means divine princess or lioness or something.
Komal Kaur: 00:00:30 Yeah. Yeah. I mean it was a name given to us by our 10th group guru Gobind Singh Ji and it was to um, give women equal status to men.
Michaela Light: 00:00:43 This was 400 years ago, right? Yes.
Komal Kaur: 00:00:47 Long time ago.
Michaela Light: 00:00:48 Yeah. And this is the Sikh religion for those who don't even realize what you're talking about. That's right. Yeah. So I've, I've connected with that through Kundalini yoga, which is sort of a sister or cousin or I don't know, came through Yogi Bhajan. Anyway, I, the reason I wanted to interview you is you wrote a very interesting new year's post about how you'd set the intention for 2020 to remove your attachment to the eye, to the ego, to the self, the craves and identifies with labels. And you talked about shedding a lot of your ego in 2019 and letting go of attachments and had a bit of pain with that. So it's okay with you. We'll dig into that later in the episode. Um, and talk a bit about the role of ego and intuition and business and awareness. So that's the plan for our conversation. And anything else that, you know, spirit brings up in the conversation. So I, I think we should start by, because that word ego's quite loaded, you know, what is it to you?
Komal Kaur: 00:01:59 So, um, to me, ego basically is that part of myself that, um, I identify with that I give a label to that is, um, but I formed the image of who I am. So you know, my name. For example, I have quite an attachment to my name cause I love my name. Um, you know how I look, the image, right? Um, right. That's thoughts. The emotions that come up in my mind, how I feel, my body, what comes up in my body. All of these, all these aspects of myself which are outside is what I consider my ego, what I identify with, what I'm attached to and what I feel separates me from someone else. You know, what makes me me and what makes you you, you know? And that is my ego. That's what ego means to me.
Michaela Light: 00:02:58 Now that's interesting. You talk about
Komal Kaur: 00:03:00 it. What separates you from other people? Because you know, part of the thing is we are all one. So that sort of implies the ego is what stops us feeling that connection with, with other people or other things. Exactly. I mean, ego creates boundaries, right? Ego is what saying is that, Oh, you know, um, it, it creates that, that resistance to saying that maybe I am not an individual. Maybe I am part of something else that is not what I identify with. And if I don't like that, something else, I want to resist it. But that is also a part of us because it is part of the one. So ego is what drives us to, to be an individual, you know, and we in the West, you know, everybody wants to be individualistic, right? Everyone wants to have their own. This is need, this is who I am. But, um, yeah, that's what that is. That is what separates us from each other.
Michaela Light: 00:04:11 Yeah. I mean in the East there's more of a community or group orientation.
Komal Kaur: 00:04:16 Yes, definitely. Yeah. In, in the East, it's, you're only as strong or as you know, enlightened as the community that you're in. And that's why, you know, when we, uh, when you come together to, to do cuter and or chanting or meditate, you know, you come together in a group, you have the sun good. You know, you, you've come together to think together to, you know, um,
Michaela Light: 00:04:40 sound good. Sound gets another word for community.
Komal Kaur: 00:04:43 Exactly. Yes. I'm good.
Michaela Light: 00:04:47 [inaudible] that's right. Yes. Language of the Sikhs. Um, or Kundalini yogis. So I, it just occurred to me that another common group is when people get together and work in the same business. So I know you've worked in businesses in, in I think in Malaysia, you've worked in businesses and you've also worked in Western businesses in Singapore from Singapore. Oh yeah. Oh well I got a one country off next door.
Komal Kaur: 00:05:24 Yeah. Well you see where Singapore is better than lot of people, but so yeah, I was born in Singapore, you know, grew up in that system and then I worked for nine years in Singapore. And to be honest, I was quite lucky to be in very blessed to be part of a company that saw as like the whole whole system and not as just individual people competing against each other. And you're right, that's where it comes in. Ego comes into the business as well because a lot of businesses have a very competitive environment between, um, between the employees or between the hierarchal levels of, and it's not necessarily to be competitive. I think that a more powerful environment is that of a collaborative one instead of a competitive one. And to collaborate. You, you do need to shed a bit of ego. You know, you do need to say that, okay, maybe you know, I will listen to your point of view and maybe my point of view is not the best, you know, and maybe I'll compromise a little bit, you know, I don't need to prove that I know everything or that I'm the best, you know?
Komal Kaur: 00:06:26 So yeah, collaboration is I think very, very important and it comes when you start to remove a little bit of that ego that makes you, you know, very attached to your role and say that, ah, I'm going to prove who I am and what I better than everybody else in this organization.
Michaela Light: 00:06:46 Yes. That's another aspect of the ego that the labels, you know, I am a, uh, you know, whatever operations manager or whatever the role is you have
Komal Kaur: 00:06:58 and therefore I know this part of the business and better than you who is in sales. So how, you know, how dare you come and tell me how to run this. Like I don't believe in that. I believe that you can learn from every everyone because we all tap into the same consciousness. We all tap into the same cell and there is something to learn from everyone around you.
Michaela Light: 00:07:20 Mm. So do, does this relate to the shift from the age of Pisces, the age of Aquarius? You know, you know how we have these roughly 2000 year long ages in the age of Aquarius in theory started in 2012.
Komal Kaur: 00:07:35 Yeah, I have um, heard about that. But to be honest, I haven't actually dived very deep into it, but the planet and I do believe in astrology independent is going through shifts and we all ship together at the same time. So there is no way that we're not affected by the shifts in the sanitary systems leader.
Michaela Light: 00:07:56 Hmm. Because I think the age of Pisces was more about individually go.
Komal Kaur: 00:08:01 Yes. Basically when you isolate yourself, you know, use you, you are just more about yourself and who you are. And yeah, there is definitely a shift, I think. And I feel it. I don't know if I feel it because I am, it's coming into my awareness and therefore I think it's there or it's always been that I can't really say.
Michaela Light: 00:08:21 And I think it is the case then that there are businesses that are shifting more towards collaboration and you know, eco lists a work and any even in, I mean I'm involved in software development in my other business and you know, there is this concept of ego less programming there way you don't, you know, on pair programming and code reviews where groups of people, you know, you, you're more interested in getting the software to work. Right. And whether what the code you wrote was wonderful.
Komal Kaur: 00:08:52 Exactly. Yeah, absolutely. And I'm sure we've all been there working in businesses where, you know, it's been very, you've described as toxic and usually that word comes about because you feel like you've been pitted against your, your colleagues competition element. Is there,
Michaela Light: 00:09:15 how much of that do you think relates to the, uh, you know, the patriarchy or matriarchy has been in society where, you know, men controlled a lot of things in the past and, uh, those kind of male way of, of being in business?
Komal Kaur: 00:09:34 Yeah, I mean definitely there is a element there, but what's really, um, what I've noticed is quite, that's quite stepped to me is that even women have followed that system now of the, that basically the patriarchal system in business, uh, is important because it's what drives the business forward. And it helps me grow because men are sort of designed to do that, right. To go out and hunt at the same time because women have been forced into the workplace. The only way that we think that we can get forward is by adopting that system, by becoming like men, you know, by being competitive, by, you know, going out in hunting. And, um, I don't see a lot of the matriarchal, um, elements much in, in business to be honest, because every business is about growth, about profit, about, and it's funny. That's how, you know, that's the only way that you can actually sustain it, right? You need to make profit to make money. But what if it didn't have to be as competitive as a culture within the business? You know, uh, what if we pay more attention to our, our heart, our health, you know, and brought those nurturing qualities of, of women, of those [inaudible] qualities into the business. What if we did that? Is there anyone out there who was willing to test it and see what happens? What happens when it comes in? You know,
Michaela Light: 00:11:13 I think there are companies out there, you know, working that way and it also occurs to me, you know, I maybe can combine both elements of male and female, just like teeing and yang symbol. You know, it's the circle. It has the little dot of the yang inside the yang and the little gang and all kind of swirling together. Um, you know, I think there's some value in being goal focused and there's value in holding space and nurturing. So, um, where, where we run into problem is when it's, it's only one or the other. If it's all ego and goals of competition, it's not very, first of all, it's not not as effective as it could be business wise. It makes less money and perhaps more importantly, it's not, it's not paying attention to how much joy is in people's hearts from the business know both the employees and the customers and the vendors. Um, you know, I think that's why,
Komal Kaur: 00:12:16 you know, where I worked for a company that was very, very competitive and very goal focused and I burnt out, you know, after a year I burnt out because there was no attention given to the wellbeing of the employee. And um, you lose good talent, you know, when that happens. So it's a shame. Yeah, it needs to be balanced.
Michaela Light: 00:12:40 And you, just to be clear, to emphasize that the companies lose good talent because the talent walks out the door and quits or gets sick because they're burnt out. But it also loses good talent because they don't feel they can bring their whole self to work and they don't contribute their best ideas. They just do what, you know, I forget how you described this, but you know, someone who's in their job and they just do the minimum necessary, um, as a phrase for that I'm forgetting.
Komal Kaur: 00:13:08 Yeah. But that's also because the space has an estate space hasn't been developed, right. For the employees to present their ideas because they didn't know that when they open their mouth, they're going to get shut down. Then they're just going to keep, keep it to themselves. Right. So that is where then the maternal has to come in and you know, it has to create that safe space, you know, for the employees to, to be able to bring themselves their whole selves to the company, to their job and to the business and to contribute, you know, in any way that, that they can to the business and know that they're not going to get shut down or couldn't be made, feel small, are going to be made, feel like their ideas are not valuable. Even if it doesn't apply to the business, there is a way to say thank you, you know, for sharing this, you know, um, we might look into this later, but you know, we really value that you brought this to the table. You know, do you get to create this safe space? And because the safe space is not there in companies. Yeah. People don't bring their best. They don't bring their oldest, do the bare minimum.
Michaela Light: 00:14:07 And I, I think that particularly happens in larger companies or in government. You know, I, I'm sure we've all had experiences of interacting with government agencies where, you know, occasionally you run into a really joyful and helpful person, but to be honest, people in government agencies that they're burnt out and not giving their all.
Komal Kaur: 00:14:31 Yeah, exactly.
Michaela Light: 00:14:34 Which is kind of sad because they're there to support the whole country or state or city or whatever, a bit of government they're in to do better and yet they themselves are burnt out and not, uh, feeling and contribute.
Komal Kaur: 00:14:49 Yup.
Michaela Light: 00:14:50 Yeah, it's very interesting.
Komal Kaur: 00:14:53 I think this is a very deep topic. I mean we started off as, as your individually ego journey, and we'll come back to that in a little bit, but I think there's actually something for all businesses to learn here about the role of ego. And I'm whatever the opposite of ego is. What, what is the opposite of ego? You talk about nurturing. Is there a word for the opposite of ego for me? The what is the, what is on the other side of ego I made the other side of ego is self-realization. It's just self knowing. And when you know yourself, then you know that you know you are a part of the whole and that we all one and then you can bring that to every aspect of your life. You know, you can bring that to your work, relationships to your family, become more relaxed around people.
Komal Kaur: 00:15:43 You become less judgmental. You become less, you have less attachment to um, expectations, you know, um, and it just creates a more softer you, and it doesn't mean that you're not productive. It just means that you know, you're able to see everything from, um, you better look at everything. And see that it's all, all part of the same machine, you know? So to me that's the other side of ego for it's just annoying. It's annoying. It's an awareness and it's hard to explain what that is, but you know it when you're in a, in a team like at work and you really enjoy it and the joy that comes out of that interaction that you get with your teammates, like that for me is on the other side. Like that's the feeling that that comes out. It comes up for me, you know, when I'm in a team that I really love, you know, and I enjoy working in it's joy and that joy that you bring to your team, you bring to the company, right? And then that company brings that into the world. So yeah, that for me is the opposite on the other side.
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Michaela Light: 00:16:58 how does that relate? I know you've, your last job, you're working in, you working remotely. How do you apply that to a remote team? Because it seems easy to do if you're in an office
Komal Kaur: 00:17:13 perhaps a little bit easier, but, um, remotely it's really possible. And communication. For me, that's the big thing. Like two for me, two things, right? The, the communication open communication among team, um, and the safe space. And I think that those two are the most important things. Um, and how we get to that element of joy within the company. Um, it's, it's doable because I felt joyful in my last role, you know, so I felt good and I felt like I could approach anyone, you know, no matter what level they were at. Um, and I felt like we were all happy, happy to be there, we were happy to contribute and we were happy with the products that we were putting out in the world. So,
Michaela Light: 00:18:13 so picking who is on the team is pretty important.
Komal Kaur: 00:18:17 Definitely, definitely. But also setting the culture and then communicating that culture is really important because there are times when, you know, we are not at our best. We're not at our best 100% of the times, you know, things take us out of our, of our center things upset us, you know. Um, and sometimes we bring our, not our best self to work. Um, but let's say you had an interaction with a colleague, which wasn't the best, uh, you could have been nicer. You know, it is, if you had that open, loving, uh, culture in the relationship in that company, the colleague would see that and be like, you know, I see maybe you're having a not a very good day today or you know, um, I can see that you're struggling or you're, you know, you know, feeling so good today or is it something I can help you with that something that's where this is coming from.
Komal Kaur: 00:19:15 And I remember doing that with a previous colleague, um, where she was, I think that just wasn't one of her best days. And you know, she was just really upset at something, maybe stressed and she came up and she said some things to me and I was like, the first thing I asked her was, is everything okay? You know, are you feeling alright? Like, um, is there something that I need to know? Like, are you, is a workload too much, you know, um, are you having trouble meeting your tasks? Like, that's where I went to because I was like, I knew that this is not who she is and she was not presenting her best self. Right. So it's not about attacking the person but saying how can I support you so that you can bring your best self to work? And it was really good because it opened up communication for the both of us. And you know, she opened up about how she was quite stressed and then she was moving and everything and um, you know, in cheer, she apologized and she said, I'm really sorry, like, um, I'm not always like this and you know, I want to be professional. And I was like, yeah, it's fine. It's okay. You know, and just forgiving. Right. It was forgiveness and then moving, moving forward.
Michaela Light: 00:20:29 You know, I D I, when you mentioned that issue, I, I knew someone who works at, uh, the gratitude cafe in San Francisco, which is a nice place to visit if you're ever in California. Um, I think they have one in Los Angeles too. And maybe there's one in New York, I forget. But the point I wanted to make is they have a team meeting every morning where everyone shares, is there something going on in their life that could affect work? Um, so like you can just be heard and also so people can be aware. Um, I think that helps them be more cohesive as a team.
Komal Kaur: 00:21:07 Yeah. It's not an excuse for employees to Slack off or to not, you know, to not work. Right. But it creates a space where everybody knows what everyone is going through and they're more understanding. And I've noticed that it also, that once you get that off your chest and you know that someone else knows what you're going through, you actually want to bring your best self and you want to show that, you know, you are, you can get through this and you are committed and that, you know, you have the team's interests at heart and that if you're not just about you, right. You are about the whole, so I found that, you know, it's, um, it's quite powerful. It is quite helpful. Yeah.
Michaela Light: 00:21:54 Hmm. Very interesting. So let's talk about 2019 when you had, uh, some exciting times that caused you to shed parts of your ego, maybe we can dig into what, you know, was there something that triggered this or did you just sit under a Banyan tree one day and become really aware that you needed to shed some stuff?
Komal Kaur: 00:22:21 I think there's a part of me has always felt like I'm a little bit, I've always seen the world as like, um, a play like a movie almost around me. Um, but I never really get a lot of attention but obviously because I have cited this grant site, um, you know, the teachings tell us that there is more than what we are just seeing around us. So there's always been that in, in a knowing that there is more than Watson around us. And um, what happened in 2019 was that I realized how much I was still holding onto labels and my, uh, identity of who I thought I was right. Um, really strong, really, really strong. And this happened because, um, I felt I felt ill and uh, I was having some health issues. And now I've been having them since about 2015 so out of nowhere suddenly, you know, they erupted.
Komal Kaur: 00:23:25 And I was always just tackling them, you know, as they came in my life just kind of went on. But I was tackled, uh, the health issue. It would go away and then, you know, I would just go back to life, but I never really dug deeper into it or I thought I did contemplate on it but didn't really get any, were significant. And in 2019 it happened again, you know, um, the health issue came back and I thought, okay, I need to look deeper into this. And um, I think vegetarian since I would go for about 14, 15 years and that was the one label that I was really holding onto very, very tightly. And
Michaela Light: 00:24:16 why were you holding onto it so tightly? Make you feel virtuous?
Komal Kaur: 00:24:22 Um, no, not because of that, because of the way that I became vegetarian. That was one of the reasons. And secondly, because it's one of the things that I felt I was, it wasn't my power and that nobody could take away from me. You know, like, yeah, you could, I could lose a job or, you know, I could do whatever. I could lose things around me. I could lose relationships, I could lose, you know, whatever. But this is my decision. I, it's in my control. You know, you can't take this away from me. So that, that is why I was, yeah, I wasn't really holding onto that need for achieving this, um, this label of being vegetarian, you know. And I told myself, no, never, never again, no meat ever.
Komal Kaur: 00:25:12 So when the health issues came up, um, I had to actually read, I had to, um, get someone to help me with them. And the first thing that they said was that I was suffering from nutritional deficiencies and these, uh, deficiencies that couldn't really be, um, provided from a nutrient from a vegetarian day. And I had to incorporate. So I was already eating eggs occasionally, but I had to start eating eggs every day. I had to start taking Davy products. I do eat cheese, I had to take beef liver, I had to take all of these. And it was through so much resistance, you know, at the expense of my health that, you know, I, I started doing these things and it was really painful. It was really painful because you are talking about asking me to change who I am, I'm open to, to and how can you ask me B, what are you talking about? No way. You know,
Michaela Light: 00:26:16 now that's interesting you, you said I am vegetarian rather than saying I eat vegetarian.
Komal Kaur: 00:26:24 Yeah.
Michaela Light: 00:26:25 Cause you identified with it.
Komal Kaur: 00:26:27 Exactly, yes.
Michaela Light: 00:26:29 Or even I am eating vegetarian today.
Komal Kaur: 00:26:32 Yeah.
Michaela Light: 00:26:33 Yeah. Even less tightly held.
Komal Kaur: 00:26:35 Totally. And that was not how I came into vegetarianism. So that's why I was holding onto very tightly because I was convinced that it was like a divine, you know, thing that happened in my life because, uh, whenever anyone asks me, you know, why you vegetarian, the truth is I never became vegetarian because, you know, I loved animals or because I wanted to help the environment. It wasn't any of those things. It was actually just, uh, kind of like a deep desire within me. Uh, which was like a nagging feeling, you know, and which is like, no, this is, this is the right thing to do. Like you just felt like the right thing to do. And when I went vegetarian it was like this literally overnight. Like that's how I tend to be in life as well. Like I'm not a gradual slow, you know.
Komal Kaur: 00:27:26 No, I just go like I make a decision and the flip switches in my head and suddenly I'm from one thing to another. So that's how I became a junior as well. It was quite transformational, you know, cause you transform your brain from, from a meat eater to a vegetable eater. Right. Like in an interesting, so that was another reason why I was really holding onto very tight is because I was like, this is divine, you know, this, this, um, it's more than just me, you know, but at the expense of my health and then I was on when I was struggling with my health issues.
Michaela Light: 00:28:05 You are you okay sharing what your health issues were or,
Komal Kaur: 00:28:08 yeah, yeah, sure. I mean, it wasn't like, it's not like cancer or anything like that, but, um, it was mainly like an altered immune, um, not diagnosed because, Oh, no one's going to tell you why it is. No one knows. Right. Doctors don't have any idea of, um, they don't know a disease until it becomes really bad. But if you look at naturopath, they can tell you that, okay, you are exhibiting autoimmunity system symptoms. So, um, I tested myself for leaky gut and it turned out that I had a hyperpermeable gut membrane, which means that the gut was actually allowing more through than it should. And before, I never used to really believe in leaky gut because I was like, how can I love gut BBQ? Right?
Komal Kaur: 00:29:03 What does that even mean? Um, and yeah, then I got the test and, and uh, it's a very scientific test. And my, I have a scientific background. I was, um, I actually did biotechnology, uh, as a degree. So, you know, I, I did that and I was convinced that the results and I was like okay, this makes sense that if my gut Permian membrane is hyperpermeable, then it's allowing food substances into my system, which is then causing an autoimmune reaction. So I had an hyper immune reaction basically to almost anything I ate. And then that will translate in rashes and hives in um, yeah, mostly rashes and hives. So it will be always on my skin. Right. So, um, this would come and go, come and go every year.
Michaela Light: 00:29:52 So PR prior to that you just put a cream on it or did you want to attacked it tactically? And it's interesting you used the word tackled cause that's a sport, a rough sports metaphor from American football. Rugby.
Komal Kaur: 00:30:07 It could also be like a Singapore in thing cause we love to use it with tackle.
Michaela Light: 00:30:10 Oh yeah. But that's quite an aggressive way to treat, treat your body right, tackle it instead of to nurture it.
Komal Kaur: 00:30:19 Yes, exactly. Because my idea was that business a disease, I have to fix it. Right. And I want to fix it in the fastest way possible. So I had to tackle this situation, tackle this, you know, this thing. And, uh, I removed a lot of things from my diet, you know, didn't really know what I was doing, but I knew I was doing, you know. Um, and that really, actually now that I look back, I can see how that caused more nutritional deficiencies. And so it all came out to this year where I realized, you know, I couldn't be out in the sun for too long and I'm born in the tropics, you know, for God's sake, like I'm a tropical girl and if I can be in the sun for more than an hour without like, you know, having rashes, then something is wrong. And that's when I went out and, you know, um, I thought listening to, uh, my husband Michael, who is very, very, very, very intelligent and he knows a lot about health and I reached out to a naturopath who basically, you know, had the same thing to say as he did. And now it's like, okay, you know, you know how you never listened to the [inaudible]
Michaela Light: 00:31:34 people closest to you, right. Pay lots of money to someone else tell you,
Komal Kaur: 00:31:41 Oh, that, that was my journey basically. But, um, then I had to nurture myself and be okay with the fact that it was going to take time, you know, because nutritional deficiencies are not something that you can take a pill and then it, because overnight, right. It takes time, you know, to nurture your body with the right nutrition, with the right food, with what it needs to get better. Um, and that's the journey I'm on right now. You know.
Michaela Light: 00:32:08 Oh, interesting. The word nurture and the word nutrition sound very similar. I wonder if that's the same origin,
Komal Kaur: 00:32:13 don't they? Yeah. I wonder.
Michaela Light: 00:32:18 Oh, I'll look that up later. So D D but you, you got your health got better or you should take your time.
Komal Kaur: 00:32:26 Like I said, it's not a overnight thing like it is if you just take, you know, a couple of supplements which attack just that issue. Um, so I've, I've been looking at it from more, uh, from a, from a core, um, what do you call that? Uh, the root cause some a root cause perspective. And like I said, that takes time. So now it's been about, yeah, eight months, nine months. And I am much better. I can be, I understand, you know, my Mockus are looking a lot better. Um, my, can you believe that I was vitamin D deficient, you know, and I thought that I was getting lots of sun, you know. Uh, but this, this thing about vitamin D as well. See to make time in D, you need to be in the sun. You got in the sun, you get 10. If you get 10, you get dark.
Komal Kaur: 00:33:25 And this was a nother label that I didn't realize that I was actually holding on to it. Cause I thought I had shed it. I thought I checked that, you know, idea that dark is not beautiful because that's what's ingrained in us. Indian from young. My grandma told today when she sees us, she'd be like, Oh, you're so down. You know, like if we're looking at phase, Oh, you're so dark and so fair is beautiful in our culture. And I didn't realize how I was willing to go to be 10 to a certain point, but not beyond that, you know? So that was another thing that I had to shed into you. I was like, no, what's more important, my health or what people perceive of me. And when you're healthy and you look in the mirror, you see a healthy person looking back, you feel good, you know?
Komal Kaur: 00:34:18 But if you allow someone else's thought about, you, determine how you think about yourself, then no matter you can keep this up unhealthy because that's gonna make your body unhealthy as well. Right? So I was vitamin D deficient and now my vitamin D is, you know, better in range. Um, and I still go every day and I still get this done. I'm still trying to get it better. And it's interesting to see how one marker then starts to, um, have like a domino effect on the other market and your body and the rest of the MOC is also improved. So, um,
Michaela Light: 00:34:54 w what do you mean by marker here?
Komal Kaur: 00:34:57 Like, um, basically they are indicators of health. So for example, like when you do a blood work, when you do blood work, you get your liver panel down, you get your kidney panel done, whatever. Right? Um, so all of those tests, like all of those values and markers, right? There are indicators of health. So like vitamin D is one marker. Then you've got inflammation, which is HS, CRP, that's another Mako. So that's just basically what I mean. Yeah,
Michaela Light: 00:35:25 I am kind of, I mean an investigation myself and to health. I, I'm kind of curious what your definition of good health is. What is health?
Komal Kaur: 00:35:36 Tell me how this, when I wake up in the morning and I feel good mentally, physically and spiritually, health for me was something that I use to look at, not on a holistic level. The more the old one from raid disjointed, you know, place. And, um, there's no, it's very, very difficult, you know, to, to not address every one of those parts of yourself if you want to be really healthy, you know, and, uh, you could be totally enlightened, but you could be bedridden. Right? So how are you then showing up for the world? Like how are you contributing to the world or, I mean, maybe you can, you know, but I haven't quite figured that out yet and I would rather be healthy in all aspects as much as I can.
Michaela Light: 00:36:40 Yeah. I mean, um, I think how, how we feel in our mental health, physical, emotional and spiritual is important. Um, the, the block I get in my own head is that's kind of subjective. You know, I could put a zero to 10 number on that, how good I feel today. And, um, and that's where I guess where that's where those bio medical markers come in because that's a more objective measure of how different functions are happening in the body.
Komal Kaur: 00:37:07 Yeah, definitely. Absolutely. Like, I felt really good from Sunday's thing. I spent a month in the rural Portugal and in the Algarve and I spent the whole month, Sundays in the morning and Sundays and evening. And what that did for my mental health was amazing. I was calm, peaceful, joyful. Um, but my MOC is still going to look great, you know, and it didn't look great cause I wasn't getting vitamin D, I wasn't going out in the sun at the right time. You know, when you start to understand how the world works, how the body works, how the sun interacts with your body, you know, to create this amazing molecule that then interacts with the rest of your body to create you. It just gives you that perspective that there is something so much bigger than what we can see, you know, and maybe grass with our little mines. So this has been another huge awakening for me. You know, this journey into health and understanding. Just understanding little bit, little bit, little bit to get more understanding of the whole. And that's why I, that's why I say like, the more I learn, the less I know because I realize how little I know until if I've learned so much and I still know so little, then I must know nothing.
Michaela Light: 00:38:30 I w I'm not sure I take it that far. I get what you're saying. I think it's the more someone is a master of something, the more they realize they don't know. The more there is to learn, you know, we never get to the point where we know everything about a topic.
Speaker 4: 00:38:47 Mmm.
Michaela Light: 00:38:48 So, and certainly health is a very big topic. So many different ways people address health.
Komal Kaur: 00:38:56 Yeah, definitely. It's very individual for sure.
Michaela Light: 00:38:59 Yeah. I mean I think for me health is a kind of a vitality, it's the amount of life force that is going through our cells, our organs, our aura. And then she feel, um, different dimensions we present in, in this three dimensional world. And um,
Speaker 4: 00:39:20 yeah,
Michaela Light: 00:39:22 I sort of, I sort of wish, you know, I don't know if you ever watch the old star Trek things where dr uh, what was his name? I forget his real name. Um, McCoy, Dr. McCoy, he'd put them on this table and they have the tricorder reading and it would kind of show a little thing of help level, you know, maybe one day we'll have little machines that can measure our health. Dislike happens on video games where you can see, Oh yeah, my health is really good or this aspect of my health is good
Komal Kaur: 00:39:52 since out there. But you know, um, it just depends on if you believe in them. Like they are technologies out with debit show you a straight away in your body by testing you. This is where you know, your load is, is that you're high, you need to balance this. So, um, I played with those things, you know,
Michaela Light: 00:40:11 which one was your favorite?
Speaker 4: 00:40:13 [inaudible]
Komal Kaur: 00:40:15 I don't think that they came to me at the right time in my life for me to say that, Oh wow, you know, this is my favorite. But at this moment in time, my favorite is really understanding how the body works and addressing the root causes of what's causing your happiness or your, your issues. Right.
Michaela Light: 00:40:36 [inaudible]. Yeah, I mean for me, I see DCS, first of all I'll spell it with a hyphen in the middle is dis ease a lack of ease in that part of my body or mind or whatever the aspect is. And I see them as messages from spirit. It's something I need to learn or change and it's coming through my body. And if I listened to on an early stage when it's just like a slight disturbance in my health or what you were saying when you were getting minus symptoms but it wasn't life threatening and I, it's easier to shift, you know. And um, the longer I wait on a health issue, the harder it is shift. Um, and in some senses, uh, that phrase as within, so without, you know, it's the beliefs and Fultz I have can affect my body.
Komal Kaur: 00:41:32 Definitely.
Michaela Light: 00:41:33 Um, if I'm getting sick somewhere, so it's an indication I need to shift something in my internal wall, in my spiritual world and my belief.
Komal Kaur: 00:41:44 Yeah. So I did go deeper in that as well. And, you know, it can seem quite woo and metaphysical to some people, but for me it made a lot of sense because, you know, it was all about the gut, right? So it was, um, I was obviously holding a lot of trauma and they're obviously holding a lot of, you know, um, resentment, you know, and happiness. And so it's not a coincidence. The boy, he does hold, you know, this all these memories and then it translates, like you said, it, it creates a, an, an atmosphere of I need and this ease inside on a cellular level, which then becomes into a disease that you can see on a physical level. And then you know, that you got to address it and you cannot just address it from a physical point of view. You also have address it from a mental and a spiritual point of view, which is why I went down this Rudow to ego because I was like, I'm not just a body, you know, and I'm deeper than that. What is it, you know?
Michaela Light: 00:42:50 Yeah. I mean, to me the mental picture comes. If you had a house and the foundation was off and the walls were kind of starting to kind of cracks in, you could just kind of cover up the cracks with paternity or whatever. Or you could fix the problem in the foundation and solve the problem permanently.
Komal Kaur: 00:43:10 That's a great analogy. Yeah. Yeah.
Michaela Light: 00:43:13 But so many people today, they either they popping pills or you know, doing other things to cover up, you know, cover up the cracks. All they're putting on dark glasses of, you know, addiction. So they don't see the cracks. You know, either drinking or overeating or video games or social media or,
Komal Kaur: 00:43:34 or even fun and disconnecting yourself from the source.
Michaela Light: 00:43:39 Oh, you don't believe in sunglasses?
Komal Kaur: 00:43:42 No, anymore.
Michaela Light: 00:43:45 Now it's interesting. A lot of people do wear sunglasses. Yeah. Why? Why do you think so many people wear them?
Komal Kaur: 00:43:53 Well, it's, it's a whole, it's a very long conversation, but really always comes down to they're wearing them because they feel discomfort and the discomfort is coming from the fact that they're not, their bodies are not able to take the energy from the sun. Right. And, but the sun is a source of life. Right. So they're disconnected from the source of life. And B have become separate from source and therefore separation has become part of our lives. So
Michaela Light: 00:44:35 I think it's all, I think that's true. And also for some people it's separation from other people. They can hide a bit.
Komal Kaur: 00:44:41 Oh yeah, that's true. I did used to love wearing my sunglasses and sleeping on the trains and like no one can
Michaela Light: 00:44:51 [inaudible] trains in Singapore can be quite packed.
Komal Kaur: 00:44:55 Yeah, exactly. A helicopter.
Michaela Light: 00:44:59 So you mentioned you had quite a lot of pain in this releasing this, these bits of your ego. Tell me more about that. Why? Why was the so much pain involved?
Komal Kaur: 00:45:12 You know, when there's a death of something that's always pain. So for me, for me, yes, personally,
Michaela Light: 00:45:20 why is that? Why does death cause pain?
Komal Kaur: 00:45:24 Because it's letting go, isn't it? It's emotional. And I'm not saying that's how I feel now, but it was back then. So now like, uh,
Speaker 5: 00:45:34 well
Komal Kaur: 00:45:36 like when I got laid off last, last week,
Michaela Light: 00:45:39 last week. Wow. You sound very calm.
Komal Kaur: 00:45:46 Yeah, I make, I really am. Because that's the death of something, but it's not the death of me and it's not the death of what I know I am. But I didn't know this before. And so anything that would finish or close in my life that was, you know, my identification with a label like that, I'm vegetarian, you know, or even my health, you know, the fact that my health is, was declining. You know, it was like a death of the body. Right? It was painful. It was emotional. It's very hard to let go to something that you attached to. It's like, like imagine like when you were like, okay, so I really, I really love my family. I'm very close to them. Right. And I read, I think of my mom passing away, for example, that brings up a lot of sadness.
Michaela Light: 00:46:38 When did she pull? When did she die? This hasn't even happened. And you're getting upset about it.
Komal Kaur: 00:46:45 Not now, but I want like that. That's the analogy. Right? So that's how, that's why it was painful because that's to most people is painful. Right? Said it's emotional because you're holding on to something so tightly.
Michaela Light: 00:47:07 So the pain is related to how tightly you hold onto something.
Komal Kaur: 00:47:11 Yeah. I mean for me, yes.
Michaela Light: 00:47:14 Yeah. I think pain is sometimes resistance to change.
Komal Kaur: 00:47:18 Oh definitely. The ego is very good at that is a our stubbornness, right? So it's, it resents any kind of change. It events, anyone with different idea of how you should live your life or how things should be
Michaela Light: 00:47:33 because you know, how can they know better? You know? And that's why we are so stubborn. So a lot of resistance. But I mean in some ways all growth involves something dying. Exactly. You can't have life, you know, you can't have a tree growing without some cells dying.
Komal Kaur: 00:47:57 Exactly. And even a body is right.
Michaela Light: 00:48:00 They're always cells dying.
Komal Kaur: 00:48:02 Yeah. You can make new cells without all cells dying. And so once you start to really understand that and know that that's part of it,
Michaela Light: 00:48:09 what do you think? Do you think our body cells are grieving everyday cause millions of their sisters are dying? No. How do they deal with this and how to trees in the forest deal with other trees dying?
Komal Kaur: 00:48:25 I think that there is no grief on a deeper level. There is no mourning. There is no grief. There is no sadness. There is no any of those emotions because emotions come from a lot of thoughts and thoughts come from our mind and on a deeper level there is no mind. There is no body, there just is. So there is actually not nothing of that out there. They don't have to deal with it because there it's not there. It doesn't exist.
Michaela Light: 00:48:56 [inaudible] at that level of consciousness it doesn't make sense. I I sometimes think of that we are all one and we're all individuals. It's like waves on an ocean, you know all the waves are individual. On the other hand, they're all part of the same body of water in the ocean. And waves do die. When they reached the crunch, it's quite beautiful. And they joined the rest. Yes. Right back.
Komal Kaur: 00:49:22 And then it comes back as one and then, you know, it's beautiful cycle, isn't it?
Michaela Light: 00:49:26 Yeah. I, I want, uh, read the, uh, um, God for God. Could, you know, one one, uh, acronym is, uh, generating, organizing, destroying three aspects of God. Growth is, is organizing and then destruction. Vishnu and Shiva right into Trinity. Which one of those is the destroying one?
Komal Kaur: 00:49:55 Um, a Shiva.
Michaela Light: 00:49:57 Trevor's the destroyer. Okay. Is that like Kali in the Hindu?
Komal Kaur: 00:50:01 I'm not sure actually, but I don't know if she's a destroyer.
Michaela Light: 00:50:05 Right. I think Christianity doesn't have quite so much of that have the Holy Trinity, but yeah. Creating and destroying. Oh, I see. Yeah. It's a bit different. Um, which would mean the East, some Eastern religions that have that concept would be more accepting of and death.
Komal Kaur: 00:50:29 Yes.
Michaela Light: 00:50:30 Which is maybe why so many Western people went to the East.
Komal Kaur: 00:50:34 Yeah. Yeah. I don't mind me. I do feel just from looking at my own grand parents, for example, um, you know, there's this concept of stoicism, but I don't know if it's actually stores in the mall, like a surrender, you know, and surrender to the forces of life, you know, and to the, to how, how the world works, you know, this creating, organizing or sustaining and then destroying him, they just surrender to that process. They surrender to that cycle of life. They happy, you know, like my, my grandma's like an angel on earth, you know, and it's, it's, it's really something to see because she, she, she's very, very spiritual and that's where it comes from. Her daily meditation, you know, her daily prayers and just that surrender. So it's, it's really, it's so inspirational for me to see that in her, to see someone actually exemplify that for me.
Michaela Light: 00:51:43 Now, you mentioned before we got on the podcast that when you were laid off, you also felt you were getting a less than a gross opportunity. You tell us more about that few points.
Komal Kaur: 00:51:55 Yeah. Um, well first of all, anyone, you know who is, who's been in the workforce getting laid off or leaving a company is part of life, right? That happens. And, um, I think that it was like a surrender for me because it became something that I was again, getting attached to. And I remember that two weeks before that I had an intuition, you know, that something wasn't right that the company owner was not going to be able to sustain this, but there was no indication from the company itself. But I had an intuition about it and I actually, yeah, actually I'm sort of, you know, just quite out of my mind, you know, cause Oh, you just think negative or whatever. And um, just a week after that, I remember speaking to someone and saying, I am so proud of where I am today because of how I've reinvented myself, you know, cause from a bio technologist working in the lab, I've gone to working remotely in a field completely different, right? What I studied, I invented myself. I reinvented myself and ego definitely equal. It's not a coincidence that all of these things happened. Book, book, book one after another, you know, so that's why I'm not stressed or sad or any of those things because I'm just like, yeah, but of course, hello, this is just another thing that you've got to attach to
Speaker 3: 00:53:49 [inaudible].
Michaela Light: 00:53:51 So you saw this as an opportunity to grow.
Komal Kaur: 00:53:55 It's always an opportunity to grow because every single time that I have found myself in a position where something was taken away from me, that um, life just got better. Life just always go better because you learn step by step how to surrender and you learn step by step how to go within and you learn step by step that actually nothing really is yours. Nothing really is in your absolute control. And it's only how you perceive that that causes the suffering. It's how you perceive that it causes, you know, the, the resistance and that's the Eagle.
Michaela Light: 00:54:36 And the perception is, is possible to change.
Komal Kaur: 00:54:40 Yeah, you can. You are in control of their experience. You are by how you, how you perceive, how you choose to perceive.
Michaela Light: 00:54:51 I think that's a very powerful shift that, uh, you know, we can make in our lives and businesses shift the perception. I mean, I mean I'm part of a gratitude group right now where we were each supposed to post something we're grateful for that we haven't posted about before in the Facebook group. And you know, it's like a daily gratitude practice. Um, and it doesn't have to be earth shaking. It can be grateful for this, you know, fresh water. We have sunshine, all this new customer hair day. Yeah. So that's a way of shifting perception in, in, in our lives or in our businesses. Um, now you mentioned you have gene keys, something that's influenced you. How did that relate to this chain, you know, being able to change your perception.
Komal Kaur: 00:55:46 Um, are you, are you familiar with the junkies?
Michaela Light: 00:55:49 I, I've only heard that. So what, what is it?
Komal Kaur: 00:55:52 Sure. So the gene keys is basically like, um, kind of a map. So if you know about astrology and the gene case is kind of like a, a map that's derived based on your birth date and time, like a map for your life, basically like what you're here, um, to transcend almost because it shows you your, the shadow levels that you're operating at. The gift level is that you can move into and then the Cyndi level, which is the level of enlightenment, right? And, um, it's a beautiful system and it really helped me to understand that I was back at a shadow level on so many ways, in so many ways, you know, and the way that he's written the book as well as it's by Richard rods. It's beautiful that he recognizes and believes that we are all of the same collective consciousness. So, um, we, we work on ourselves.
Komal Kaur: 00:56:55 We actually make that change in the collective consciousness as well. And a lot of people, they struggle to find meaning or purpose. And it doesn't have to be like a huge endeavor. You know, you don't have to, the purpose doesn't have to be to become bill Gates so that you can be a philanthropist. And donate billions of dollars, you know, it can be just as simple as you returning to your truth because just that will create that shift in the collective consciousness. So, and you, you probably have seen this in your own life where when you act shifted yourself, the relationships around you have shifted. Like I've seen this in my family for example. Um, and it's very powerful, you know, because you changed the dynamics and again, you know, you can bring that into business too and if you shift yourself and you shift the dynamics of your, your business relationships. Um, so the GQs for me was really, really empowering because
Speaker 3: 00:57:59 [inaudible]
Komal Kaur: 00:58:00 open my eyes too.
Speaker 3: 00:58:02 Hmm.
Komal Kaur: 00:58:03 The potential of ourselves, the potential of humanity. And I would recommend that to everybody to, you know, get your map done and to read it and uh, yeah, explore that and go and just return to yourself. Like, you know, that's the end of the end of the day, right? Like FIDA Sophia is one of the teachers that, um, is very good at explaining how the gene keys work and how you apply them. She says that there is always a search and a search is always spiritual towards the self. Knowing even I will search for financial security, I will search for abundance, I will search for relationships. All of those we think we're actually searching for money and you know these things. But it's actually a search towards yourself, to your inner self, to your own self knowing. And you know that that to me makes a lot of sense. So yeah, I would recommend reading her, reading her beautiful interpretations of the geometries as well.
Michaela Light: 00:59:06 I definitely agree with that. I think that certainly in the case of business it really is a spiritual activity. You know, where with spiritual beings being entrepreneurs, all entrepreneurs, occasionally having a spiritual, um, because anything I do in my business to grow it, you know, typically when I do something, you know, say I'm going to do Facebook ads or whatever now either I, I either I need to learn how to do that, which is me growing that skill or I need to hire someone to do it. And usually when you hire someone, you have to do some personal growth in order to be able to hire the right person and hold the space for them so they can be successful in that role. So, and certainly, you know, businesses often get to a plateau, you know, they'll grow to a certain level and then they find it hard to grow beyond that. And that's because they haven't made the spiritual shift inside the team, within the business that then hold a larger business and, you know, delegate in even a bigger way.
Michaela Light: 01:00:10 Cause it is around letting go. Typically, you know, as you get to having more people in the business, you can't control everything. No. Um, and, and with really big businesses, you can't even control, you can't control anything, you know, with, I don't know how good a spiritual leader bill Gates was, but, um, he certainly was in charge, but you know, many tens of thousands of people, um, but he couldn't even manage all those people. He couldn't even manage the foot. All the front line managers. Right. You can only, right. He can only set the picture of the very highest level and then hopefully motivate people to go in a direction that was, you know, growthful for the company. Um, yeah, it is, uh, interesting. I mean also related to that intuition you had. Um, I think we do get premonitions and I was watching this movie last weekend called the power of the heart, which is a lot of interviews with spiritual teachers, but it also had this, um, they mentioned an experiment that had been done, uh, where they measured people's mind response, their heart response things, some other body bits.
Michaela Light: 01:01:29 And they were showing random pictures generated by computer and they with a peaceful pictures or violent pictures. And when they showed the violent picture, you know, the person's brainwaves would shift, you know, cause they'd had a trauma. So many trauma seeing something. What was fascinating to me though was that the heart shifted five seconds before the picture was shown. It was random. You didn't know if it's going to be peaceful or violent, but somehow knew with accuracy what was coming up in the future. That's incredible. It is. And this is true of 'em. They've had, they, there's this analogous thing was an experiment on going where they have these random number generators running in the planets and all at different universities and they look at random, they are or they, you know, not random. Yeah. Before nine 11. Yeah. Oh, cool. Yeah. Before big events happen that affect a lot of people that random number eight generators go less random like before nine 11 and before the verdict for, um, I forget who the guy was, there was some famous American footballer who was accused of murder and got off and when that verdict and that was trial was falling.
Michaela Light: 01:02:47 Yeah. Or OJ Simpson, when that verdict was released, again, they see the same effect. Before the verdict was released, there was a shift in the randomness of these random generators. You have a scientific mind and you need science to explain it. Then there you go. Well, at least involves computers and statistics. I think a lot of scientists have difficulty with this kind of, uh, um, science. In fact, they label it as pseudo-science stand it. But it's definitely is a, a way to do that scientifically. So, um, okay. So I know we've been talking for quite a while. Is there anything else you'd like to share with listeners about letting go ego, business intuition?
Komal Kaur: 01:03:46 I think at the end of the day I feel like
Speaker 3: 01:03:55 okay,
Komal Kaur: 01:03:55 everything around us we have to take it with a pinch of salt almost. And when, you know, let's say things are not going well in the business or your employee is acting up, your relationships not the best, I think the first place to go to is actually to yourself and to look within first. Um, and to do that work first because like you said, so within, so it's not right as within so without. So, um, we really cannot change, we cannot change anyone. We can't change the world, but we can work analysis. And I think that that is the, the main, for me, the main takeaway.
Michaela Light: 01:04:45 It's a lot easier to work in some ways. It's easier to work on ourselves because that's totally under our control. On the other hand, a lot of people have their ego in the way. Yeah. So there's resistance to work.
Komal Kaur: 01:04:58 Say, Oh my God, am I really like this?
Michaela Light: 01:05:04 Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm curious, you meant, I know we're wrapping up here, but I did want to, you have some daily practices that help you or your intuition and guidance just interested to do. Share are okay. Sharing what practices you follow.
Komal Kaur: 01:05:20 No. Yeah, sure. And it's nothing revolutionary really. Um, basically the most important thing for me is meditation. Um, and I do use mantras, uh, that come from, uh, it's the, it's a nickname mantra that come from, um, the seagull gun side and the gypsy side. Um, and that for me has been like whenever I add meditation into my life, I was almost joking about this with my husband because I was telling him that we never have edit meditation by life. I feel like things always go wrong, but that's not true, right. Because it's actually just the, it's not going wrong. It's going right. It's leading me towards, you know, back right to myself. And, um, that for me has been the most transformational of this. And I know many people do it and, uh, it's so, it's nothing revolutionary. But for me it's been huge.
Komal Kaur: 01:06:21 It's, I can see a night and day difference when I don't meditate. And I do. Now I have other practices. Obviously I do my daily Chicong, um, practice. And I do yoga once in a while, you know, sometimes a few times a week. Sometimes I go without it. I really just respond to my body. Um, that's another thing that I had to learn because I realized that my body couldn't handle high levels of intense exercise. And that was one of the reasons that it would break down. So again, we're using attachment to why can I do hit, you know, why, why can I do weight lifting? Why can I like, I wanted to be like everyone else, but I forgot that I had to just be myself. And, um, so yeah. So my, my practice is just really listening to myself and then responding to that to listen to myself. I have to meditate and I have to go with him.
Michaela Light: 01:07:16 Yeah, I mean, I, I use mantra in some of my meditations,
Komal Kaur: 01:07:20 so I have a portion that's mentor and enough of that is just silence, silence, silence. Really, really, really crave silence.
Michaela Light: 01:07:31 Well, that's tricky in the modern world where there's a lot of noise from cars and people and music partners. Yes. Um, and I mean it used to be, you know, if you go back 150 years, they didn't have recorded music. You know, you have any way you heard music was if the word musicians were playing, but you couldn't be walking along unless you chose to sing yourself where you're with other people singing. You couldn't be walking in the forest and hearing music. Now people have earphones in that listening to things on, on. They carry their phone around and get lost for options. It's like people are afraid. I'm afraid of afraid of silence.
Komal Kaur: 01:08:18 You know, it's so beautiful here when you go into silence because you steer what you are not even aware of before you hear the trees, you hear the rustle of the wind. You think you can hear wind going into a forest, into a windy forest, you know, you hear the crickets, you hear it. It's just you get life basically. And you only hear that when you go.
Michaela Light: 01:08:45 Yeah, I mean I get a lot of messages from animals or insects or birds. There's a book I refer to called animal when an animal speak by Ted Andrews. And I mean you can ask your own intuition, Hey, what's the message from this particular animal? Um, particularly when it's something unusual that you hadn't seen before. Like, you know, one time I was at a yoga event and it was this big three foot long snake on the path. Yeah. But snakes, one of the symbolisms of snakes is transformation cause they shed their skin. So, um, and I hadn't seen the snake on the past before or since I've been going to this event for a lot of years, but that was the message I needed to get in that moment. Um, another time I was in my room in apartment in Peru and I think I got up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom and then I heard this noise and I saw this rat put its nose round the bathroom door and just look at me and I stared back at it and it just wouldn't go away.
Michaela Light: 01:09:54 You know, cold rat. And you know, rats have spiritual meaning to a very persistent, you know, I mean also Ganesha image who the rat is the part of that image that gets through all of the problems in the small spaces. They have a temple of resonant dude though. Oh, I have to go see that. So I think by being silent and being observant, we can get more subtle messages that, so it doesn't even have to come into our health as a sickness or come into our businesses as disturbance or come into our relationships as another. If we hear this intuition at an even earlier, more subtle stage, we can just flow with it. So that's my thought there. Speaking of mantra, I've been doing a mantra for the last, um, 375 days. I think it is now, um, better amounts, um, which is a guru Ram DAS chant for the heart chakra. And I just want to share this with, I showed this to you earlier by bachelor share for this little guru around us. Uh, patriarch carry around with me and it's been to the golden temple and various other places that I haven't been to. Um, but yet, yes. Now I've got my Indian tourist visa, which was quite an ordeal to get. I know. Yeah, I know. Been there. Yes. I got the five year visa because I didn't want to have to go through that ever again.
Michaela Light: 01:11:31 I have the OCI now, so I've got this, Oh, how cool. Yeah. Overseas citizen of India. Right. So, um, but it's very challenging. It's very powerful and it's, it's a very easy way. I know, I know people often say that they have difficulty meditating and if you haven't tried Curtin or tried chanting, um, I, I'd suggest giving it a try because it's very hard for the monkey mind to keep on talking when you're singing a repeated,
Komal Kaur: 01:12:03 definitely even the most, you know, are you aware of transcendental meditation TM? It's what all the T's flow. Um, and you have to pay for someone to teach it to you. Even they have the same concept where they, they give you a mantra and you focus on the mantra. You meditate on the mantra and that's why it works. It works because yo might, you give your mind something to focus on.
Michaela Light: 01:12:26 Well, and also I believe that, you know, these mantras that are thousands of years old and been repeated billions of times, they, they create, they become more powerful by the repetition. They're sort of like a pop song. You know, you look at Beatles lyrics and songs, they have a much more powerful effect than, than a new song typically has because so many billions of people have sung those songs. I mean, I'm not saying the Beatles' songs are mantras, but I'm just trying to give an analogy that, you know, when you have a good pop song, it can stick in your head. Mantra could do the same thing, but in a more crazy way.
Komal Kaur: 01:13:00 Totally. It's hard to be angry. You know, when you have a mantra going on in your head, it's difficult to react in a very like, unconscious way. If you actually have a bunch of playing in your head, it's actually quite hard. Try it all. It's impossible.
Michaela Light: 01:13:18 Well, I have, I have experienced, uh, during an, uh, you know, uh, just, uh, an argument with someone just mentally repeating a mantra and it does clear me and I think it shifts the space instead of thinking about what I'm going to say next. Um, it's also good to listen to the other person. So there's a bit of a contradiction there, but nevermind. Um, so if folks want to find you online, uh, what are the best ways to do that?
Komal Kaur: 01:13:50 Well, I guess you can just connect with me on Facebook or Instagram, Facebook, Como car and Instagram. Comos Chronicles.
Michaela Light: 01:14:01 Well, we'll put those in the show notes. So the intuitive leadership mastery site, and thanks so much for coming on the podcast today.
Komal Kaur: 01:14:09 Thank you for having me. It was really fun.