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Michaela: Welcome back to the show. I'm here with Kate Galliett, and she is a mountain climbing extraordinary. I saw a video of her where she was just hanging by her fingernails from this rock. It was very inspiring. But the reason we're talking about this is because it helps her intuition to soar. And we’ll look at her process and how she feels when she's doing that, and how she gets on sister business challenges while she's climbing, and how climbing is amped up the speed of her intuition. And how the modern world that many of us inhabits in front of our computers maybe squashing our intuition. So and what you can do if you don't have to have a mountain next door that you can go and climb. So welcome Kate.
Kate: Thank you so much. It's such a pleasure to chat with you.
Michaela: Yeah! Great to have you on the show. And in case you don't know Kate, she is a champion for people getting into their bodies and getting fit, and realizing it doesn't matter how old you are. You can always have a happy and healthy body.
Kate: absolutely
Michaela: So tell us why do you climb mountains because I don't think everyone listening does that?
Kate: I would agree with you. I don't think everyone listening does that either. I found mountain climbing; all types. I do all different varieties of mountain climbing. When I moved west to the mountains after three decades in the city of Chicago. At the time, I didn't yet know that I was as outdoorsy as I am, or that I was as passionate about mountain climbing as I am. But I knew something wasn't right in Chicago, and I couldn't put my finger on it. And I happened to have a friend out here. And I said, “That life looks interesting. I think I'll go out and check that out.” And it just felt resonance, 100 percent. And so I got here and knew I wanted to find some sort of activity to do that wasn't just gym based. You know weight lifting, and yoga, and those kinds of things. Those are great, but the mountains are right here, they’re in our backyard.
And so I began exploring the opportunities for playing in the mountains, and mountain climbing is a big thing here. And so, I would follow along with other folks who are doing it, and be so inspired by what they were doing. And so curious about if I could do that because I was frankly, I was living out the message I try to teach every human in the world is which is it's never too late to start something new. You're never too old, too broken, too weak, too uncorrelated. You’re never stuck with whatever you think you are. I was living that out because I would see them climbing and go, “How could I get to the point of being able to do that?” But I started with that first step of going to the gym where you climb on the mats right.
And going, “Okay, I didn't die. Let me try the next step.” And little by little, and then accelerating by accelerating, I found myself being profession enough to actually go outside and climb a mountain. And the exhilarating feeling of hands on the rock, and moving yourself up it by your own power with a rope attached to you or not depending on the kind of kind of climb you're doing was like nothing else I've ever done in my entire life. Everything… Any the amount of peace I found in nature was 10X by adding mountain climbing to it.
So for me, that became the thing that I was going to use to feel the most alive, and to explore the most in this world. And I know for sure if there's a day that comes that I stop feeling so alive doing it, it's the world kind of pulling me to the next thing, right. But it didn't begin because I've done it for a lifetime. It didn't begin because I had a similar sport that I've done. It began because I felt the pull to get to the mountains to live here, and then saw other people executing on exactly the mission I was trying to live with teaching people about feeling and moving better. Without much thinking about it, I all of a sudden, I myself was a rock climber.
Michaela: So I'm curious when you say you felt moved to go near the mountains. How did you… You’re saying your intuition talked to you, or did you… How did that come to you?
Kate: Great question. I was very successful in a business sense in Chicago. I had a thriving gym that I ran. Customers were on the doorstep. I didn't have to do anything to attract new clients or customers. I had a lovely home that I lived in, and a lovely neighborhood that I lived in. But everything else in life was deeply unsatisfying. There was no social connection, it was difficult to find romantic connections with men. We just weren't aligning, and nothing else felt very good. And that deep dissatisfaction led me to start asking some questions about why am I still doing this if I'm so unsatisfied, and could I handle and tolerate throwing away with this quite easy with business, and starting over again in a new place.
And some way call it luck, but it was the combination of seeing my friends’ posts on Facebook from their weekend out. And they'd be in the mountains and being like that's so beautiful. And it's that same friend asking some very pointed questions to me about what I'm really doing if I'm not feeling satisfied with what's the point of my existence if I'm not feeling thriving and fully satisfied. Those two things together made me go, “Well, why don't I go see what life is like for them out there, and just see their life?” And it took six days on a visit here and on that six day I went, “Oh yeah I'm supposed to live here.”
Meaning I would not be able to keep my gym, I would have to move everything on line, I'd have to create a whole new social circle, figure out romantic connections, and brand new state with men that I don't know very well or at all. Everything, would have to start all over again, and this is the thing I think with intuition. It's this nebulous like I'm giving away a lot of security of what I think a security, but actually a ball and chain kind of stuff. And going I don't know what it's going to be, but it's worth going.
Michaela: So it was almost like it was fake security.
Kate: yeah
Michaela: And having a connection to your intuition, and your truth was real security.
Kate: Absolutely, and it has taken so much leaning on that in the last three years that I've been out here in Utah because it's not easy, it's a massive change. It's very challenging to learn all these new things that you've never done before, and do business in a format I've never done before, and it's very challenging. And the only thing that has held me together sometimes is that that deep core knowing that's kind of right here in the solar plexus area where it goes, “This is where you're supposed to be. Just hang in there. You're going to be okay. No matter what hardship you feel like you're facing that day. You're in the right spot.”
Michaela: That’s very inspiring. So tell us a bit more about how you feel in your process when you are climbing and you're listening. Does it help you listen to your intuition or?
Kate: For me, it shows up as a body sensation when I'm out in nature. And I can be sitting underneath a rock climb where we're not using ropes and so it's saying very low to the ground and you just sit under it waiting in between turns to then try climbing it again. Or when I'm on a rope and we're doing a very long you know, many hundreds of feet rock climb. Or even on the hike to the rock climb. You know it'll take a while to hike to it. Just arriving into nature, into the mountain. Something arrives to me that wasn't there 20 minutes before when I was in the car driving to wherever it is we're going to do the rock climb. It arrives all through my torso and my head as sort of a… as if you can imagine all the puzzle pieces flying through the air, and fitting into the correct spots.
And it happens all through this area through here. And I think your listeners certainly can relate to some sort of that sensational feeling that comes. So that doesn't sound too crazy to them I think, or to you. But I can sit there and be staring at the rock or at nothing at all. That kind of just vacant stare and you do when you're maybe looking at the horizon. And all of those puzzle pieces come together, and something in my body literally makes more firmness, more resident, more deep satisfaction feeling. And the answer just arrives from that. It's like it the whole piece at the core has to come back together and then what bubbles immediately up out of that is this answer that is so obvious. I can't believe I had never thought of it before. Does that relate to something you feel, or have felt before?
Michaela: Oh yeah! I don't do it by climbing a mountain. Yeah, when I have a clear intuitive message, it's clear it is my inner truth. And I'm interested how these different pieces… It sounds like you have pieces of you that reassemble when you’re on the mountain, or in nature.
Kate: Everything within me reshuffles when I'm out in nature, or on a mountain. And it's that reshuffling that is one of my favorite parts of being on a mountain because I can't logic my way into that reshuffling when I'm in the modern world. But if I'm just sitting there staring at the beauty of the mountain, or looking at the pine tree that's next to the rock we're going to climb, all of a sudden, the reshuffling happens. And it is I like to say it's not of me it's through me, and it is of me of course. We create things all the time. But I'm like it's like the conduit all of a sudden allowed everything to come in and put itself together in the right fashion. Then it just bubbles right up out of the top of my head and I go that's exactly what I'm supposed to do. Without any prior thought, without any A then B then C thinking just there you go, there's the answer. I love that about nature.
Michaela: That is amazing and so useful when you're running a business because you could have spent days trying to figure out that answer analytically using your logic.
Kate: I've totally done that. But the day that you messaged me about that [inaudible] [10:29]. You mentioned that day, I was thinking about offerings we were going to do for the holidays, for deals, or coupons, or if we even wanted to do that. And was sitting under that rock climb and went, “Oh! Why have I never thought to offer this type of membership before? That makes so much sense.”
And I didn't have to go what kind of membership can we offer that has the best rate of return, that keep someone the longest, that doesn't cost me much money, that is a fair deal for the person buying. I didn’t have to do any of that it just was as if it went, poof! Here you go and then we ran it, and it was quite successful. We ran it as a holiday deal this year and I went we're doing that next year because that is absolutely something I'm supposed to be offering for people. People liked it, they resonated with it and it's going to be a win for me in my business as well too.
Michaela: That's great!
Kate: yeah
Michaela: So do you ask your intuition questions before you go climbing, or when you're in nature or?
Kate: I have started doing that in the last year. Once I realized the power that was in nature and that was in me when I would go into nature. And especially the ‘what it takes method’. And I just thinking about that as we you know, you'll be driving away sometimes to get to where you're going to climb. But there's a point where you enter the area that you're about to be climbing and it's you know more woodsy, it's got canyons, it's got big peeves. When you're entering a new space, when you go into that. And right about that point is when I start bringing up some things I'd like to find clarity on or solutions for, and asking what would it take to find that answer today while I'm out in nature. And then, letting that just sit. Not continuing to run question after question, after question.
It's almost as if a logic brain can't stay on for me when I'm out in nature, when I'm thinking about these sorts of things. Sure, yes my logic brain is on when we have to think about being safe, or travelling officially through the mountains, or making sure no one dies when we’re out there. But yes, the logic reigns on for that. But with the things that I'm ruminating on, and considering, and trying to find solutions to or intuitive answers to, that posing of the question on the way in is there. And then it goes into the background towards there it's there. But I'm not really paying attention to it until that answer pops up in the pieces have put themselves together.
Michaela: That is a great suggestion there for people using that ‘what would it take question’. If you don't get an immediate answer, be okay with letting it sit. It may pop up in an unexpected moment later.
Kate: Absolutely, I think especially if we're so stuck in our focus mind sometimes kind of that narrow focus. It can be tricky for the answers to show up because we're looking for the blue car, right. But we're so specific in looking for the blue car that some other thing that is like the blue car which is what we're supposed to actually see and go drive away into is right there next to us. But we can't see it until we open up to look at all cars for example.
Michaela: Yeah, I mean that’s definitely true. It helps to play around with the questions we ask ourselves, and to be open to different things coming in. I mean I guess that would be the basis allowing, right.
Kate: yep
Michaela: We don't control everything about how the solution is going to appear.
Kate: Absolutely, it's such a vital lesson to learn as well.
Michaela: So when you've done this this, you’ve got these amazing answers on the rock phase, is there any way you bring this speeding up your intuition back to when you were in your own home office in front of your laptop?
Kate: For me, there are two things that help me speed that up in my daily life. One is take advantage of where I live. And I go into the mountains every week without fail whether that's just it to take a drive up to them and just sit in my car. And at the parking lot of at the top and look at the peaks. Or to go on a short walk or a long walk or go on a mountain climb or something like that. So, consistent repetition for me is vital. And then secondary to that is actually making sure I take lots of photos while I'm out there. And I will flip through the photos on my phone on a regular basis almost in a… not a mind numbing way, but almost in a mind awakening way. Like remembering the good times, remembering what if felt like to stand in that spot.
Looking back at the picture being really fascinated by that space that I was in again often does a similar thing where it's almost like my thinking brain gets to go, “Oh, get a little bit of a break here.” And then it gives room for the intuitive aspect of me to go, “Hey, here's a thing for you up. Poof! Right into your brain.” And they can show up from there. I also find too that if I'm working on something that is going to require or seems like it's requiring something I'm not figuring out logically and I were going, “Oh yeah, you need to know your intuition.” I make a point to get into nature as quickly as I can to find the workaround for that. And that can be you know, sometimes that's a Tuesday afternoon and I don't have time to go take a drive all the way up in the mountains. So I'll go sit outside, or if it's cold, I wouldn’t sit, maybe walk.
And just do a walk around the neighborhood, or the area where I'm working that day. Because even the aspect of moving your body just in a natural easy going way off of concrete if possible. If you can walk on grass or in a park you know, something like that and just to look at the sky and to notice things around you. In fact, I work from my home office where I am today many days a week, and I'll take a midday walk after lunch. And it's… You'll believe this, but people not in this room probably would be like, “How could that happen so quickly?” I walk out the garage door, and make a turn and I start to head up the street. And there are two bushes about 20 feet past where I leave my house from. And every time I will look at those and be like, “I've never noticed that thing on that bush before. Look at how… look at the detail, look at the beauty of just what nature has created.
And all of a sudden, I'm into the intuitive kind of thoughts are reshuffling, picture and puzzle pieces are coming together the picture is becoming clearer, that's of the 20 feet of being a house. And so I almost felt like I've already got the answer missiles go back in. And I’ll carry on and you know about 15 or 20 minutes just walking down the neighborhood and back again and noticing all the detail of whatever. The flowers after, the summer seasons past, snow on the ground if it happens to be snowing. Of course when spring is happening, it's like a psychedelic experience just walking around your neighborhood because everything is waking up. Even that allows me to have that on a regular consistent basis when maybe there's a way, there's a reason I can't get into the mountains until the weekend, and I need an answer now.
Michaela: I mean I'm wondering as well as seeing the beauty and the detail of those plants, do you also see their aura, or the energy, or?
Kate: I see what they're doing. I see how they're organizing and how they're allowing, and how they're easing, and how even in their death in the case of which went through autumn here, that they're creating the next life, creating the next… You know what it's like? It's as if I'm tapping into that energetic system of the entire universe, and from that is always a wellspring of ideas and directions you're to go in. Because every idea is either growing something new, executing on something that exists, seeing something that's going to be dying here soon, and so nurturing that process, handling the winter when things are occurring.
It's all quite seasonal and so seeing what they're doing allows me to find that intuitive answer of, “Oh this is the phase that I'm in. Or here’s how I could handle the situation better.” Seeing a dead leaves on the ground and admiring its beauty and how it's disintegrating into the ground to be nurtured for spring, handling interpersonal things, or handing tough conversations with employees. That gives me some understanding and framework of compassion that when I'm in my logic brain, my logic brain is like I don't like what they're doing, how do I help them do this better without being a jerk about it, how do I be a good boss, how do I be a good friend, or do you know what I’m saying?
Michaela: Mm-hmm, so when you’ve experienced nature seasons, how does that make your response differently to an employee who isn’t performing?
Kate: I find that nature in the seasons with employees who aren’t performing the way I'd like them to is making sure that… It reminds me to make sure that they know there's a seasonal nature to this, and that they don't need to jump ahead or that they're lagging behind and that their nature is to continue progressing here. Not to get stuck at the one thing that they are good at and then never continue to progress in employee for me. And also, me having compassion for where they're at whether they know it or not and the employee-employer relationship with me and finding out how I can clarify that even further. Like a employee who's been with me for a year now. It's been a year. Here things we talked about having you achieve.
We've achieved some of them, you've not achieved others. But you're no longer in that spring phase of just being born, and everything's new and interesting and there's lots to look at, and it's very beautiful. You're kind of coming into your summer now and summer is where you kind of you go out there and you execute on all the things you just created like okay, can we acknowledge it the best you heading into not how can we put actual data points in place. Do you need more coaching, do you need to own it more, to need to improve your own intuition to trust yourself more? Do you see what I'm saying? How that kind of helps me have compassion for me and for them and to also think about this where they're at on the cycle of the entire thing and how can I help that be better for them?
Michaela: Now that sounds great. Now you mention they you might help them improve their own intuition.
Kate: yeah
Michaela: Tell us more about that because that sounds very empowering to people who have employees, or contractors.
Kate: I do my best with it and I would say I am a work in progress. And I still work to untether from the… Well I learn it best this way, so everyone should learn it best this way. But I'm a huge fan. And this is a big part of what I teach people with movement in fitness which is you already have the answers inside of you. I can teach you exercises and science and how the human body responds at a cellular level and that's important to know when you want to like care for your body. But you already know what your body needs. Once you know how to give that to your body with the movements, or drills, or whatever, you are doing you don't need me. And in fact I don't want that responsibility because I've got my own body to tend to. The same is true with how I want to have my employee-employer relationship, or even with contractors as well.
I want to be able to have an initial period where we set groundwork, frameworks, objectives, goals, why we're doing this whole thing. But that's what people with bodies you to they go I want to climb the mountain I can't yet how do I do that. And then teach them the concepts and frameworks, and then let them say you can do this. You… I don't want the responsibility of making the decision for you. I actually need you to be able to do that on your own, and not never tell me about it. I want you to do it and then share it with me. But if I can teach them the frameworks and the concepts we use to execute and create the responses we want, I then start putting the reins into their hands to say, “I'd like you to tell me what needs to happen next.” And then we'll dialogue about that.
And often initially this is where I get to grow, my initial reaction will be like I think the wording on the sales copy needs to be improved because we've had X, Y, and Z experience it's healthy people don't really understand that part of the sales copy. And of course my initial reaction is I'm pretty sure they're wrong. I'm pretty sure I actually wrote really great sales copy. I'm pretty sure that I see where they’re coming from, but I'm pretty sure they're incorrect. So then I get to feel that come up and go,’ Calm down ego. You get to calm down.” And then I get to step back, and really lean in to this intuitive response they've created because they have the framework that we've already constructed in the past. And I get to go, “What am I hearing them say? Okay, what am I feeling come up when they say this when I put myself in the shoes of the consumer that we're talking to?”
Okay, now I can see where this that and then we get to have a dialogue about it. And what comes out of that is always better than me singularly saying we're going to do this. And me singularly saying what they decided is wrong because that doesn't help them have any motivation to do more of that in the future. They might be wrong. They might be like totally left field because they don't have a framework that I do that then I get to go, “Oh I see why you're saying that sales copy isn't great, but actually when you look at it through this framework, it's a meaningless neat.” And the person can go, “Oh that makes sense, but how about this.” And then we can take it and spin it once again, and find yet another solution that I would not have found on my own. Does that make sense?
Michaela: Yeah, it does. That sounds great.
Kate: yeah
Michaela: So I am kind of curious, do you think climbing mountains has helped you lead your staff better, or somehow?
Kate: Absolutely yes. You need to have a reverence and a patience with a mountain that brings such a groundedness into my daily interactions with my team, and with my customers, and with people on the Internet who are like, “You're an idiot.” And I'm like, “Okay.” Because we all have those people on the internet who want to argue and fight and whatever, and I don't get much time to all of that. But those moments when you can feel your ego wants to get revved up, and your logic brain wants to be like, “We're right, we know we are right.
We can figure this out ourselves.” When you're on a mountain, you don't have room to have an ego because you'll die if you do. If you have an ego about it, you will move truthfully, you will move more rigidly, you won't move as in flow, you won't tap into every aspect of your body which you need when you're in some of the positions, and you've got to reach for this other one up here, and make sure your whole body stays in control over here, you won't do it as well. And you'll make more foolish decisions when you operate from ego and logic.
And that's absolutely true of rock climbing. Same with hiking, or camping, or anything else you've got in nature. You need to drop your ego and have reverence. And always be saying what feels right and what seems right tactically in this situation. Is that based in truth, or is that based on my egotist desire to get to the top even though it's really starting to seem like that's not the right thing for me today. I've had this happen on hikes before where I was intent on summoning the mountain that day. Just hiking my way up there I mean the climb, and the weather pattern started to change. And I could have pursued it further, but something in me stopped. In fact, oh gosh! Can I share the story with you?
Michaela: sure
Kate: The last time that I was trying to hike to the top of a mountain called Pfeifferhorn here in the Wasatch, and it's a challenging hike, and it requires most of a day. And you get to this place called Lower Red Pine Lake. And it's kind of the stopping point where everybody changes their gear for the summit push they're going to do, has a snack, admires the beautiful lake, and then starts on your way up to the final push, and I got to that point. I was like, “Alright, I've made great time. This is awesome. I got to switch my gear for my winter gear now. The wind is picking up. I’ll out my coat on.” And the clouds were kind of rolling around in this beautiful low kind of hazy way. And out of the corner of my eye, I saw a deer just off to the side around the other side of the lake.
And I went, “Oh.” And I looked and there are actually five deer which is the most I've ever seen together in this part of the mountain range that I was in. And I was watching them and their babies with them, and they were kind of trotting along the lake and they were eating and stopping. And they saw me, but they didn't run away. And they kind of kept making their way. Well with nature, you want to always give them your space; their space. And so I kept quite a distance. I didn't approach or force them to make an action. I just kind of let them. Okay, they'll get off the path eventually. In the 15 minutes it took them to get off the path, so that I could start my way around and start the push up to the summit push, the weather changed so dramatically that had I been on that summit push, it would have been dangerous for me to be up there.
But something about me going, “Let me give them their space. Let me just in and watch this.” You know I was on a time goal, but it's okay I want to. These deer were helping me to lean into that intuition and actually kept me from having what could have been a difficult situation that day of being on the top of a mountain in bad weather that would have been very difficult to get down from. So that is what I'm talking about when I say like a go it mind would be like stupid deer, get out of the way. I'll just walk past. They’ll get shuffle off, and they’ll get scared, and then I'll continue on. And I would have continue on into potential danger. That's happening all the time out in nature. You just have to check the ego enough to be able to have that gap between thinking you're going to do something and then actually doing it, right.
Dr. Wayne Dyer always call it getting in the gap. You know having the experience and then responding to the experience. In between that is the gap. That is required if you're going to travel safely through the mountains. And when that comes back with me to my daily life where I get to have a moment before I respond to an employee situation, or a customer who's unhappy, or thinking about my next business idea and maybe frustrated that it's not here yet. That gap, that pause, that checking ego at the door allows me to return to that grounded in intuitive state that I was experiencing so readily when I was in the mountains.
Michaela: That is intriguing and I just wondered if there was some spiritual meaning to the deer in particular as opposed to some other animal turning up there. I don't know if you…
Kate: I've thought about that as well too and I have read many different things about deer showing up in your path, and mostly that it's good luck. But some of the spiritual readings I've found on the internet about deer say about finding new things, or discovering new ways, or something new is showing up in your life. And it's funny that that happened then. I'm just that's to… the puzzle piece just clicked in. That was kind of at the onset of a new wave of energetic stuff that has been showing for me in my life. So you might be totally right there that it wasn't some other animal that that certainly could have because we have other animals in the Wasatch. It was five deer; the most I’ve ever seen at one time in the Wasatch.
Michaela: Yeah, I mean I take a lot of notice of animals that turn up particularly if it's an unusual animal showing up, or an unusual number, or the direction they’re pointing in. This is usually information from my intuition in that. When I read about deer, let me just read what I found because it's kind of interesting. {When you have deer as a spirit animal, you’re highly sensitive and have a strong intuition. By affinity with this animal, you have the power to deal with challenges with grace. You master the art of both being determined and gentle in your approach.}
Kate: Oh! That sounds so resonant to me right now. I appreciate you looking that up and reading that, thank you.
Michaela: Yeah, I’ll put it in the show notes so people who find, and you can find it later.
Kate: Cool, thank you.
Michaela: And there's a great… If you're into animal science for inspiration is a great book called ‘Animal Speaks’ by Ted Andrews.
Kate: okay
Michaela: And that like lists lots of animals and gives default message they may have. I mean obviously an individual animal may have a particular message for us.
Kate: I would enjoy reading something like that. So I'll let that book up and put that in the queue next for reading because I agree with you. I think we notice certain things because there's something in them for us. There's infinite amount of things you could notice when you're out in nature. So why do I noticed certain trees or certain markings where an animal has kind of rubbed up against it, or things on the ground? We notice things because there's something to it because you could… there's still many things you could look at. Why you happen to notice that particular thing other than what you're talking about here? Which is some sort of intuitive connection or message that that realm has for you to capture you know.
Michaela: Yeah, I mean I live half the area in the mountains in Cusco Peru and they're very beautiful and I think and so do the local people there are spirits in the mountains. You know that every mountain has a spiritual entity as part of it. I wonder if you've experienced any of that in your…
Kate: I have absolutely. There's a mountain here called Mount Timpanogos, and it is the most beautiful mountain. And I know when I say that people who aren’t into mountains will be like, “It's a mountain. I don't know. What are you saying?” But let me tell you Mount Timpanogos is [inaudible] [31:56] Wasatch and her profile; it's definitely a she. Her profile, it is that of an… We use to say Indian princess but indigenous person, princess sleeping with her arms on her chest like this. So the mountain profile when you're going along the side of it from a distance back away, you look at it and it's as if you see the forehead and her nose and then you see it kind of come down, and you see your hands laying on her chest like this. And it looks as if it's you know Native American or indigenous person, princess laying on her back.
And the spiritual energy around that mountain is incredible. When you drive through the canyon to get to the point where you're going to start hiking. As you'll drive it… For people who don't know when there's mountains you always enter through the canyon, and then you start working your way up from there. In the autumn, it is as if it has been painted in gold. She is so regal and it's as if all of the Queen's jewels have been laid out, and all of the majesty has been put out. The leaves are the closest to real gold you could ever see in nature. The light, the way it comes through, like makes iridescence through everything. It is the most mind blowing thing and it's really it goes along with that legend of like she is this Regal Princess.
This beautiful strong indigenous woman. And in the autumn time, all of her wares, all of her riches get laid out for you in the canyon. And she also is a take no prisoners mountain. So you have to have your head on when you're heading up on that mountain. And in fact for the winter season, when all the hiking trails are covered over, alpine climbers; people who climb things like Everest where they have to use snow tools and you know it's very wintry and cold.
They’ll actually practice on her and they'll do little training missions on her to practice their skills. And it's well known in the community that you need to show up ego fully checked, and very aware that she is in control here, and you are doing the dance with her; not the other way around. It's marvelous and you can see her from several vantage points in the Wasatch. And it is one of everybody's favorite mountains because no matter where you see her from you can see the outline of the princess, and you can feel the like radiating energy of that mountain from a great distance away.
Michaela: sounds amazing
Kate: It's where I would take you. If you came to visit Utah, I would take you down there and go, “Do you see the princess? Now let's go drive through. Let's take a look at her.” Yeah.
Michaela: Do you talk with the mountain spirits or?
Kate: Absolutely, absolutely. When I'm hiking from a distance from the mountain – I just told you about Timpanogos. Well, as soon as she comes into view, because you look at your map. I have maps on the wall behind me here in the office here of all the mountain ranges here in the Wasatch. So you know where you're going when you're going to run in and finally see the mountain range that you're looking for. And she'll come into view, and I’ll go, “Oh! There you are how. Oh, hello, it’s so good to see you, you're so beautiful.” And just like praising and complementing all that, and then you just stand there and you feel this like back and forth happening between you and the mountain whether it's one of the great distance Timpanogos or the one that you're actually standing on here.
But most of the conversation coming from me to the mountain is gratitude, gratitude, gratitude, gratitude. Like thank you for everything, thank you for this, thank… just I have the best gratitude practice when I'm in the mountains. And what seems to come with that pump system of me giving out that gratitude is those answers, those answers coming back because even in my moments where there's heartache, or hardship, or pain of some kind and I go to the mountains to try to find some healing.
Even as I'm like very upset, or remoting, or whatever I’ll be like, “Thank you so much for just being a place for me to go to and again very quickly the deck reshuffles, the puzzle pieces get put together. And I get a new perspective on this heartache, or hardship, or extreme challenge that I feel like I'm facing. And it becomes again more grounded and more centered, and there's an answer there for me that wasn't there before when I was just in the emotional state of kind of modern life.
Michaela: That is amazing. So what other spirits do you talk to? You talk with mountains.
Kate: Yes, also with my little crystals. So [crosstalk] [36:30]
Michaela: Let’s see your crystals. I have got a little altar over here. So I got [inaudible] and currently up for today I brought [inaudible] over and I got a black onyx which this one actually has a face in it. I'm not sure if you'll be able to see it through the camera, but there's his little face. Like that's the nose pointing downward right here.
Michaela: oh yeah
Kate: Do you see that?
Michaela: yeah
Kate: So to be grounded because sometimes I get so excited that I get a little flighty and then also to just irradiate… to radiate my truth with you today. But I have a chat with them. In fact we just had the full moon in the time of recording this. I just had them out beaming in the moonlight. So with them. Also with my [inaudible] cards which I think something I think this is similar to what you do. But I would… I appreciate these as an addition but like Inquiry cards where I get to ask a question about you know, this one says, “What is my heart saying?”
And I'll journal about that and I’ll kind of ask these guys about that. Like, “Hey, what should I be paying attention to today?” And then I'll kind of journal on that. Then I go into my what it takes after that because sometimes, the question will come up like (I like this one). What do I really want? And I'll be like it's a good question. I hadn’t thought about that lately, and then I'll do what it takes to get what I really want. And I kind of use this as a complement to what you teach about. And then whenever I see an owl. I'm pretty sure an owl is one of my spirit animals. Whenever I …
Michaela: [Crosstalk] imagine if you see them a lot.
Kate: Yes, yes, and then I'll see one and go, “What you got for me?” Because weather is an… real one like a real actual owl or something like they’re on a pillow, or they’re on a piece of artwork. Okay, I'll catch my eye enough that I go, “Oh you're here. You have a message for me. What do you got for me?” And trying to in the space of wherever I met opened up a bit of the solar plexus it can allow that to come in. So yeah, those are some of the main things that I'll talk to and ask for guidance and assistance from.
Michaela: That's great! Well I’ve got a little crystal here.
Kate: oh beautiful!
Michaela: What do they call it? Oscillated cuts.
Kate: Yes, it’s beautiful.
Michaela: It's got some little lines of I guess a metal of some kind. I don't know. But I also program my crystals as well so.
Kate: I haven't started learning about that. Do you have a resource that you could perhaps tell me about it?
Michaela: I made a video the other day.
Kate: did you?
Michaela: They’re my Facebook lives. So go to the video.
Kate: Okay, I would go. Please do, I would really enjoy watching that.
Michaela: Yeah, you basically just use your intent to program it and it's… You’re conscious about what programming you apply to the crystal so.
Kate: Very cool yes, I'd like tell us more about that.
Michaela: Yeah, absolutely. I've got like half a dozen crystals I've programmed here. And then I have some others I’ve given to other people I programed.
Kate: Do you travel with the same crystals all the time? Because I do.
Michaela: Pretty much yeah
Kate: yeah
Michaela: I sleep with them under my beds.
Kate: Same, oh my gosh! I do that as well too. They’ll go under my pillow. And it's kind of a nice feeling when I'll stir a little bit in the night and turn over to the other side. And I’ll have my hand under the pillow and I go, “Oh, there it is”. And then I go back to sleep with that; yeah.
Michaela: If I wake up in the night, I'll put them on my shockers, I’ll put one on my third eye, and one of my throat, and solar plexus and so on. And I actually have a crystal around my neck. It’s an oscillated… I don’t know if you can see it. It's an oscillated.
Kate: that’s lovely
Michaela: Is it onyx or…? It's one of those groundings…
Kate: Looks like onyx.
Michaela: Yeah, something like that.
Kate: I like that.
Michaela: Along with a couple of things for clearing out electromagnetic fields. If I remember correctly, this one clears out old patterns in my life.
Kate: I love it.
Michaela: Yeah, so I have some… Have a lot of crystals. [Inaudible] [40:31]. The title was climbing mountains and mountains are made of rock.
Kate: I mean that really [crosstalk] you know.
Michaela: So I have a ring here that… Oops! There we go. This is Sphalerite which comes from Siberia.
Kate: Wow! Really beautiful.
Michaela: Yeah, it's good for the third eye.
Kate: And I feel like you I don't get the crystal thing like this is the earth with you. Like this is nature in my home office. It's a form of what the Earth has been doing, you know?
Michaela: yeah
Kate: It's one way to bring that into your daily life when maybe you can't go to mountains.
Michaela: Exactly, and I won't go through I've got a whole bunch here I wear around my neck usually.
Kate: wow!
Michaela: I won't go through all of them, but there is one here that's really cool and you can see that.
Kate: That's awesome!
Michaela: That's moldavite, and that's actually from a meteorite. So it came from outer space.
Kate: I love it. I think this stuff is awesome.
Michaela: It is, so that one's good for connecting with alien stuff.
Kate: cool
Michaela: But I had to like reprogram that once. It was bringing far too many alien energies into me.
Kate: We want just enough alien, not too much that it's destructive.
Michaela: There you go, yes. So it is whatever. The other thing I asked one of those spirits you talk to. You know I sometimes talk with the ones in my computer, or phone, and any technological stuff because they all have spirits too.
Kate: Can I …that's good, interesting you bring that up. I had forgotten about Hank; the spirit elf who lives in my phone. I think… I named him.
Michaela: love it
Kate: So mostly he's a trickster. But we have a chat sometimes because he's just a little too trickster. But things like you’ll type with your phone which is so annoying to me. I try to be on my keyboard whenever I can. But I'll type and I've typed it correctly and then it goes. I hit send and that's when it like goes. “Oh, we think you missed a word here or something like that.” And it’ll do the most ridiculous words that I never meant to actually say.
Michaela: Maybe you did though.
Kate: Maybe I did.
Michaela: I mean another part of you did, right.
Kate: I think it was Hank, frankly.
Michael: It was Hank.
Kate: It was me using the phone, and whenever I need him to just kind of calm down from the trickster ways a little bit, I can say, “Hey buddy okay.” But when I think about him because it's easy to just feel like stupid technology, it's not working right. But I appreciate is he makes me slow down. And one of my missions for this year was to not slow down in the sense of not work hard, or anything like that. But to just not be five steps ahead of myself all the time. And what Hank does is sometimes make me stop before I hit send and reread it to make sure nothing's been changed, the auto change, that the wording was correct, or that it's opening the thing I'm trying to open, which app I'm trying to open. He makes me slow down.
Michaela: That's a great [crosstalk]
Kate: Yeah, he makes me slow down.
Michaela: Yeah, and it's great that you talk with him because it’s so easy to get frustrated with technology and it's quite possible to talk with these different elements of our life.
Kate: absolutely
Michaela: And sometimes they even have messages like that to slow down, or whatever the other.
Kate: yeah
Michaela: Message that we get from…
Kate: absolutely
Michaela: What about in your body, do you talk to your body parts, your organs, to your cells?
Kate: That's a great question because I do. We have what's called the [crosstalk] [44:04].
Michaela: See I knew you did.
Kate: So first of all when I'm coaching, there's two things have occurred about this one. Coaching clients with movement and fitness and healing their aches and pains and that sort of thing. One of the things we do is learn to converse with our body because our bodies are always trying to help us. They never are trying to hurt us. They're never trying to do things to make us suffer. They're just hearing you say, “I want to do the squats.” But you're knees are like, “Guys we don't have the capacity to bend in that fashion without causing pain.” And so your brain, your nervous system, your body, that being is going, “Well we just want to do this why it's guys like you got to just you discuss the matter what like who does your best.”
And so when I'm teaching them part of that is retraining them to say, “Hey body, thanks for trying to give so much force in tension around the knees because you think that's what we need to do. But actually we've been teaching you this new way where you use your fine muscles more and you use your torso to stay braced more. And you move in a slightly new way. So hey, thank you for trying to create that tension around the knees but actually you don't have to do that anymore.” And getting to that number station with our body to allow it to not need to work so hard to do something it's just trying to do because I just learned that that was how it had to do it in the past and that's not how it has to do it anymore.
So that conversation’s happening all the time as I'm teaching people about how to inhabit their bodies again, and move without pain, and move with freedom of becomes stronger mobile, or whatever they want to do. The second part of that which the bit further down the road for my clients because it takes a little more of that awareness to be built and be skillful with before they can get to this. But I do and what I teach in my more events clients to do is have a town hall meeting with their body because…
Michaela: uhu!
Kate: … your heart has an agenda. And both the physical literal cellular heart, but also the heart. You know the motive heart has an agenda, your brain has an agenda, your nervous system has an agenda, your stomach has an agenda, your tissues have an agenda. Everybody has an agenda and if nobody ever gets together to have a town hall meeting of sorts of like, “Hey what do you guys need? Okay, well that is not something we really want to do because we have this other agenda. But how can we compromise on this?” You never do that.
Everybody is trying to push their agenda forward without any sort of harmony or your body. And so sometimes, it takes stopping. And I got this idea it came to me when I was on the table getting body work done by a very intuitive master of manual touch that I used to get busy since we moved very far away, and that's great for her. But I miss her dearly every day. I was on the table getting work done and I was like talking about the various things going in my body. And I go, “You know it's almost like I need to have a town hall meeting.” And she and I looked at each other and locked eyes and went, “That's exactly what needs to happen, that's it.”
Michaela: oh wow!
Kate: That concept is what has to happen for folks to get everybody on the same page because your whole body is trying to help you. But if your brain wants to do one thing, and your muscle tissue and cells want to do another thing, that's gonna be a competing interests. And even if you can push the ball forward on both of those, you'll never push it as far forward with as much ease as when you get them both to be harmonized in the line and then move forward from there. So yeah, I talk to my body quite a bit.
Michaela: That is wonderful. I mean it's almost like why don’t you climb in a team as well a solo. If you were with a group of people and they all have their own agenda, and they will go on in different directions, it would be kind of hard to climb the mountain.
Kate: You're absolutely correct in that. When you have a partner, when you're on a rope, you always have a partner and they're below you kind of keeping the rope in line so you don't fall to your death. So it's pretty important that you two are on the same page. And I have had to climb with someone who I was friendly with but hadn't climbed with before, and then we started climbing together. And I realized very quickly that there was no way we were going to get on the same page because they were very ego driven, and they were very intense, and they were about creating connection. They were about, “It's my way, you're along for the ride, you got to do it my way.” And I was like, “Well it doesn't work that way friend because there's two humans here and you have to compromise.” Everybody stuff [crosstalk] [48:24].
Michaela: Plus a mountain.
Kate: Plus a mountain, right? So and very quickly I was like, “Oh, I'll never do that again. Like I have to it… That taught me to vet people a little bit more. You know we'll climb in the gym together and kind of mesh over that before we go outside where it really matters. But yeah, very much [crosstalk]
Michaela: How do we apply that lesson to the people we work with weather they’re staff, or clients?
Kate: Well if you're coming from the perspective that I come from, it's that we can be very excited to get the outcome. So climbing partner yeah, that means we get to climb the mountain. If I have a partner, before we actually have vetted who they are, how they show up in the world, what their agenda is, how intuitive they are, how in touch they are. And if you're going to run a business that uses intuition in any way [which you obviously if you're watching this you are] those things matter to you. And I think sometimes we can be quick to overlook those because we've found somebody who's a right fit on paper, or somebody who seems like they're going to help us push the agenda forward. But we haven't actually really vetted all the other things that are going to go into how they show up for achieving the mission, or climbing the mountain, or getting the objective that we're going for.
Michaela: So how do you do that with climbing partners? You said you look for it. They have the… They use their intuition you feel is a fit.
Kate: Yeah, you can feel it very quickly. You might have a great time with them, be great social buddies with them. And then you'll go to the gym where you can practice like smaller rock climbs together with ropes and all that, and you'll get a feel for their energy. How rigid they adhere to a system, how unrigid they are to it. You want that happy medium of they adhere to the system of safety. But not to the point of it's my way or the highway, you don't have an opinion in this at all even though you're my partner. And you should have an opinion in this. You can pick up on how much they pay attention, how much ownership they take. You can pick up on all of that in just one or two times going to the gym climbing with them.
And I think similar things can be done in business where you give someone a trial basis, right. Maybe an early project you're going to do with them. And you give them something that you know they can do, but it allows you to see how they're going to show up for it. How do they handle themselves when they have a deadline, how are they under stress, how are they in relating to you. You give them the reins. Do they turn into a big jerk about it, and their ego overtakes everything. I think you can pick up on those things. But sometimes, maybe we overlook it because we think in a logical sense of they’re a right fit on paper, or they're the right price for what I want to pay, they have somebody get the job when really that job will be such a challenge to get done if energetically it just doesn't line up.
Michaela: And then let's translate that into working with clients.
Kate: Yeah, that’s… When I meet with folks who start with an initial appointment. And that's partially for them to get some answers about some initial understanding of what's going on with their body. I get lots of people who had injuries for a long time, and are trying to get back to some level of basic function, and then building strength beyond that to do sports they love to do. But part of that initial meeting is for me to give them a few answers of like well this is how your body works, this is why this is happening.
I could see this is happening with any moves. But also it's for me to evaluate them as an individual and where they're at on their journey because nobody's wrong for me in terms of a match. They just might be at a different level of the journey in which case, it's going to be so much work to bridge that gap that it just makes more sense for them to be some with someone else, and for me to be with someone else. And I actually have a really solid example of this. I was interviewing an assessing the movement with this one individual.
And on paper, I absolutely know I can help this individual. I know what went wrong, I know how to help them retrain their body so it doesn't happen again and they become strong again. However, in the intake, they were telling me about how this one big injuries that I was going to help them with happened. And they said and this I like I sat there dumbfounded after they said this. But that's just where they're at you know. They said, You know I was moving into this one position during my workout. Kind of some sort of jujitsu kind of thing. And I knew my joints couldn't handle that position, and I did it anyways. And then I felt the pop.”
Michaela: auu!
Kate: And I was like, “You wait what!” Like and it was a pretty catastrophic injury. Like there were so many signals the body gave this person before the pop of the actual breaking tear thing that happened that they ignored. And either couldn't hear or once they heard them they ‘aha’ and they went in and that was all it took for me to be like, “We accept to wrap it up here because I think you'd be in much better hands with somebody else.” Because someone who’s that disconnected from the signals their body is sending them means that they're nowhere near where I’m at with coaching on the journey. The amount of time it's going to take me to bring them forward in their consciousness and their connection is going to be…
It would be weeks before we even get to working on the initial injury because there's so much awareness creating. That has to happen, and they may not even be interested or ready for that. And watching this person kind of go on after that I was like, “Okay no, they just want they want to put the Band-Aid on the issue and not get to the stuff underneath it of so that why that happened in the first place.” So it was a correct choice. They weren't the right fit for me because I don't just give the Band-Aid. I go we got understand why this happened, and how you can tune in better next time, and how you can pick up on the signals because that is part of being on top autonomous is hearing the signal and then responding to it.
Michael: So we talked earlier a bit about you know when bodies get in pain. What do you think pain is?
Kate: It is a wonderful conversation piece from your body. Pain’s necessary. If we had a life without pain, if it were impossible to feel pain. Think about how you would burn your hand every time you touch the stove because it's hot, and you lose all the skin on your fingertips, and they get an infection and you die. But because you touch the hot stove and you do ‘aha’, and pull back. You recognize a burn has happened, don't do that again because I will lose the skin and then I will back from infection. You maybe don't think that consciously about the know that intuitively, don't do that again.
So if we never felt pain, we would never survive the universe. Pain is a tool for us to understand where we're at in the world, things we should do more of, or things we should do less of, or things we should pay attention to. It's really a conversation voice as much as intuition, or logic or anything else is. And so while it's not desirable to be in pain, when pain shows up, it's something that's telling you hey pay attention. And that allows you then to learn and grow and become aware of something you had to be pay attention to before.
Michael: That's a great way to look at it. So that person knew you were helping and they haven't listened to their earlier smaller pains, and the pain got bigger, and then they ignored it, and then they had an injury.
Kate: Yeah and again it's your choice to listen to it. So they didn't listen to it even after the injury. And so they've just gone on in the process of putting a Band-Aid on it which means they’ve not change the pattern of how they respond to their signal so something in the future might happen again. But something eventually I think because every human’s capable of it. Something eventually will kick them into enough awareness to be like, “I never even knew my body was talking to me. Oh my gosh! I have all the singles I could start listening to.”
That's my hope that everybody sooner or later wakes up to that. I get to catch people when they're on the way to being woken up to that, or when they've just woken up to it, or when they know this is a thing but they don't know what the signal’s saying. They're like, “I know pain’s a thing. It's a thing I should pay attention to. But I don't know what it means or how to fix it.” Because they don't go to school for science or whatever you know. So I have to work with those folks. And I want everyone else use willfully ignoring kind of that conversation; that's fine. They're just a different… that's fine. They'll get there eventually, you know?
Michaela: Yeah, I mean the way I think that the body parts will kind of tap me on the shoulder. “Hey Michaela, you need to pay attention here.” And then they're like, “Hey, hey.”
Kate: yeah
Michaela: And then it's like, “Whap!”
Kate: Yeah, and some people to get the whap.
Michaela: Yeah and if you don't pay attention to that, there's always the reset button reincarnates coming out again. Maybe [crosstalk] [57:01] next time.
Kate: I feel the same way, yeah, I feel the same way.
Michaela: Because this isn't just body injuries. This is like any disease that people have. There's some [crosstalk]. Yeah, literally the word disease, it’s lack of these in that part of your body.
Kate: yeah
Michaela: Yeah, so it’s very… And I think the same thing applies to our businesses. If there’s pain in some part of our business, that's a message to us from our business.
Kate: Absolutely, when I get frustrated that you know e-mail for in the funnel isn't getting the same rates. And I'm like, “It’s a good e-mail. You guys you should be reading this. It's a great e-mail.” That's the initially ego it response right. And I get to go, “This isn’t inviting me to learn something about why people are opening e-mail for the phone because it's the best email. What can I do? Can I put it earlier? Can I change the subject line?” So it invites me. If I would like to invite myself into the opportunity to learn and to grow from that, and sometimes it takes a while to want to go into it. I just want to sit in my guys to good email is just open it the way it is. [Inaudible] [58:05] you're right. Any pain in our business is an invitation to find out what that means, and to explore, and find a new answer for ourselves.
Michaela: Yeah, so tell us a bit more about the modern world, and what that does to our intuition.
Kate: I really think it squishes it in a lot of ways because we look in… we spend our day in narrow focus. So if you don't know the different types of focus, Les Fehmi wrote a great book called ‘The Open-Focus Brain’ or ‘Dissolving Pain’ is another great book of his. And he talks about in particular diffuse focus which is kind of that… Think of when a cat is lounging on maybe the back of a chair, sunning themselves, not really paying attention to anything. You can't really… their eyes are open, but you can't really tell if they're even awake. And then let's say that would be diffuse focus. And then let's say a mouse runs across the floor. Instantaneously, that mouse lasers in on it, and the cat lasers on the mouse, and is like that's something to pay attention. We spend a whole day in that narrow focus.
We're looking at the mouse all day long in the modern world with notifications, with e-mails, with creation, with revenue, and drive, drive. It's that killing; drive, drive, drive, drive, drive and there's benefits of that. But when you live in that, 99 percent of your life, that squishes your capacity for that diffuse expansive. Look out at the horizon at something in the distance that isn't anywhere near you, allow your mind to wander. Think of when you were a kid and you lay on your back. [Hopefully you have this experience.] That you play on your back a look at the clouds, and you try to imagine shapes. You could see the horse and you see the dolphin. And if you're laying with your body that go, “Do you see the Bat mobile?
And you be like, “Yeah! I think I get…” Like you don't. You don't see the Bat mobile, but you're trying to see it in the cloud formation they're looking at. That is happening when you go out into nature. Whether it's a walk around the block, or a hike on a mountain, or somebody on a mountain by rock climbing. And that the modern world takes you so far away from that. You lose your capacity to imagine new possibilities, to see things that aren't really there but that are really there, and to find that if you spoke as again. So as great as the modern world can be for so many things. It allows folks like you and I to talk and run our businesses online. It also takes away some of that imaginative diffuse focus, expansive, intuitive energy that you can get from being out in the natural world. Oh hold on, I've lost your sound.
Michaela: lost me sound
Kate: Oh! There we go.
Michaela: How can we cultivate that diffuse focus when we're not… if we don't have a mountain to go in? You mentioned walking around the block or.
Kate: Yes, take a walk around the block whenever you can. And there's no bad weather only bad care. So just get yourself a proper jacket, or hat, or shoes, or whatever, and get out there. And in addition to that, things like having a… If you're on the ground floor going outside to where you have kind of a clear view of the horizon. So finding somewhere where you can find a clear view of horizon. Even looking to the horizon will allow you to have some more of that. It also helps your eyes not get so focused and tense from looking at a computer screen all day. So it's actually physically healthy to you too. But the concept of looking off to the horizon allows you to move back into that diffuse focus of freedom, and expanse of this.
That when you're stuck in the notification world, you get into this like narrower and narrower focus. And then if you can't do any of that because you're in maybe a grossly urban environment where there’s just blockades all around you have high-rises. Finding things like plants. Can put plants on your desk, or can you go look at the bushes outside, can you look at the manicured…? You know the answer and many urban sidewalks will have those manicured little trees with little bushes around them.
And you just can you go seek the natural beauty that even is in the concrete environment of urban city life. And if that just as a tiny little succulent plant on your desk, you could spend hours just looking at a succulent plant and imagining and notice saying and touching it, and having that connection to it what the leaves feel like, and how it changes over the seasons. I think those are some of the ways you can bring it into your life. But also find a way to get to nature, find a way to get there. It's not that far away no matter where you are in the world. And the money and time spent to get there will pale in comparison to the mind blowing experience you'll have.
Even if you're not a mountain climber to just visit a place like where you lived on acoustic over to go to a national park in the US. I've been to the Lake District in the U.K. They just even go there and walk the grounds. They manicured grounds even that is a mind blowing experience and well worth the time and money it will take to get there.
Michaela: Absolutely, I mean I'm very grateful for where I live in Cusco because it’s only five or ten minutes and I'm right in the mountains so.
Kate: oh that!
Michaela: I just walk there. But it’s 11,000 feet star woods, not far to go there to get into the mountains. So we're coming to the end of the interview. Is there anything else you want to share around climbing, and intuition in business?
Kate: Yeah, I always like the final wrap up thoughts. Whether it's climbing or ballet, or jujutsu, or yoga, find a movement practice that allows some of what we've talked about today to show up in your own life. You can't beat the embodiment that a movement practice gives you for enhancing, and supporting your intuition. It's already within you.
Michaela: Yeah, I think if we move our bodies in new ways sometimes new thoughts come to us. I know that's true for me.
Kate: Absolutely, you always take that old box.
Michaela: Yeah oh, it clears old patterns.
Kate: yeah
Michaela: Yeah, so I have got some questions I ask everyone on the show which is, first one is why you are proud to use your intuition in your business?
Kate: That's a great question. I can't imagine not using it. And it feels more current to use it because truly we are intuitive beings. [And maybe not everybody feels this way.] I've always been quite intuitive even as a child. And so it feels the most natural to do that. And any time I forget about it; maybe I get caught up in the like stress. Oh my gosh something is it the fan, bad things are happening, and I can forget for a moment.
I'll be doing that like panic, panic, panic mode and then something comes and knocks me out from the side of my brain and goes, “Wait a minute, wait a minute. Return to the embodiment return to the intuition here.” You… this is here. You’re going to be fine. Why are you playing into the story? The made up story that this whole thing is a panic mess and that bad things are going to continue to happen after this.” Like you can squash the panic instantly by returning to your intuition. So, why not run your business in that way? What have you got to lose running your business that way?
Michaela: Maybe you ego.
Kate: Some people will like not to lose that.
Michaela: And then I'm on a mission to help every entrepreneur to openly use their intuition at work so they’ll make more money and be happier. And also because I think if every business leader did that, they'd make less dumb ass decisions that hurt other people or the planet, so.
Kate: yep
Michaela: So what would it take to make business intuition more openly used this year?
Kate: I certainly think that for me at least sharing more about the process of how I make my business decisions and why I do the things I do helps that. Because I think in my early years as a business owner, I fell into that story that you shouldn't share the behind the scenes stuff until you're like 55, and you've got umpteen million business successes behind your you know, in your in your pocket. But in reality, sharing the process as you go through it, or why you do the things you do, no one's going to steal the idea and even if they do fine.
It's still going to be different from your idea. And more so, you want other people to have a process like what you're talking about. But also to provide the human element that I think the customer enjoys hearing and seeing. And so when I… instead of just confidently making these decisions and executing on them, that's all well and good. But that's actually also not as easy to connect to as someone who goes, “I've created this space to find some intuition. Here's what came to me. Here's what makes me nervous about it.”
But then I ask what would it take to feel competent and successful this or whatever framework someone else might use. I can't recommend what it takes though. But to do that is more humanistic too to the person who is considering giving you their cash to exchange services or products or whatever. And so perhaps if more of us entrepreneurs could share that, that process of getting to the confident decision where we execute as business owners. That may help more people start to do that, and start to wake up to that. And seems like it would help our bottom line because we'd be more human to the people buying from us.
Michaela: That's a very inspiring thing to say. So if people want to find you online, what's the best ways to do that?
Kate: Thank you yes, I would love share more with everybody who's found today's conversation interesting. Three places I love to direct people to; actually four together. First one, if you want to follow with the cleaning pictures and season of these things we've talked about, you can go to my Instagram which is Instagram.com/Kate Galliett. I’m sure it'll be in the show notes.
Michaela: it is
Kate: Perfect, if you'd like to carry the conversation, and ask more questions about this, and join the community that's talking about this, you can join us at facebook.com/fitforreallife. And then, if you'd like to actually start moving and embodying some of this stuff, you can check out the movement program where I teach all of this which is theunbreakablebody.com. And if you're like, “Well I'm not ready to move yet, but I want to learn more about what you're talking about.” You can read all my free articles at fitforreallife.com which has close to 300 articles to teach you more about everything we've discussed today and then some.
Michaela: Wow! Well, thanks for sharing your intuition journey and all your mountain climbing stories with us, Kate.
Kate: My pleasure, thank you so much for giving me the space to do so. This has been a highlight of my week so far, and hopefully my month. But we'll see what comes the other way. But you are always a highlight when I get to talk to you. So thank you.
Michaela: thank you
Kate: Yeah, have a wonderful rest of your day.